Labyrinth has killed any motivation to make new characters for me.

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Miská wrote:

No, you are the one who doesn't seem to understand the concept of optional. This is an Arpg, you can't simply say it's optional because you don't need it to get to level 100, or to do Atziri. You can do Atziri with 1 health, does that make every other other point of health optional? What about your gear? You don't need any to make it to level 100, so it's optional?

This genre is not set by the markers you named. A rpg by nature is about maxing out the potential your char has. The ascendancy is such a huge part in it, it is way beyond optional. It's as silly as saying some of the story skillpoints are optional.

Exactly,just what i wanted to write.

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Perq wrote:

... They are fucking optional. Wtf?

Ok, I'm done here, just keep on inventing your own definitions.

Maybe for you they are. Let me know how many times you skipped them. Like i said, just because you need to be a nitpicker and pretend like this game is about level 100 or atziri doesn't make them optional. How it is optional if your goal is to max out your char? Please explain that to me?

Definition of words is not about what it means to you or me. It is about what this word means.

You say this game is about maxing your character, right?

Atziri is not optional anymore, because she drops loot, that you can upgrade you character with. Oh, you cannot wear these items directly? You can sell them, and buy items you will upgrade your character with.

Can you see the idiocy of such definition bending now?

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Perq wrote:

Definition of words is not about what it means to you or me. It is about what this word means.

You say this game is about maxing your character, right?

Atziri is not optional anymore, because she drops loot, that you can upgrade you character with. Oh, you cannot wear these items directly? You can sell them, and buy items you will upgrade your character with.

Can you see the idiocy of such definition bending now?

However you can just buy that loot from someone else and fulfill it without ever killing her. Making Atziri optional. I think you are just trying to be funny or something. You think you are clever, sadly you are just making a fool outta yourself. A word's meaning has everything to do with how you apply it. You even did it yourself. You applied Atziri and lvl 100 as if they were the means in how to perceive what is optional in this game.

But keep up the good work. Gear, life, skill points and ascendancy they are all optional. See? It's funny how you put ascendancy in the same bracket as atziri while it really should be in the same bracket as what i pointed out above.

Either way, i tried. Goodluck trolling some more. Maybe someone else will bite.

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And1111 wrote:

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Miská wrote:

No, you are the one who doesn't seem to understand the concept of optional. This is an Arpg, you can't simply say it's optional because you don't need it to get to level 100, or to do Atziri. You can do Atziri with 1 health, does that make every other other point of health optional? What about your gear? You don't need any to make it to level 100, so it's optional?

This genre is not set by the markers you named. A rpg by nature is about maxing out the potential your char has. The ascendancy is such a huge part in it, it is way beyond optional. It's as silly as saying some of the story skillpoints are optional.

Exactly,just what i wanted to write.

Miska is right, Perq totally wrong.

Ascendency points are not only mandatory, but also very important, to improve character with spell, block or other things, in order to "complete" a character class. And also you get the "name" of that ascendency class.

However I watching PoE forums after Ascendancy. Still I didn't try the new contents, I seen a lot of negative feedbacks about Ascendency, but I had negative feedback when GGG announced the labyrinths and all the fanboys were happy for that. :)

I think Labyrinths should be not mandatory to get ascendency classes and points, I would to try it, one time, just for fun, but "do it" for all my characters, and maybe I could to die too and lose experience, with my main at lvl 99. You crazy.

All these things block me to return to the game atm, and reset all the prices too to sell items... but that is another thing.

See you soon, waiting some good improvements, that I didn't see in this expansion, but other bad contents, like labyrints, and not good contents, like trade system, not legacy pvp, fair crafting, ecc

I haven't used Atziri and lvl 100, but completing the story and lvl 100. Read and understand, instead of using I feel like kind of reasoning. But whatever, you say I'm trolling because you can't argue against me, so I'll take it as a win.

Neeext...

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thedestroyerofkids wrote:

Problem not solved. Ascendancy points are key aspects of builds that i plan now. Not planning for them would make it just another boring ass generic build which Ive been playing since day 1 of OB.

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thedestroyerofkids wrote:

Yeah... No.
Im not whining about anything.

Well the point is if you think coming here and whining about how its too much trouble to do the lab to grab the exponential power that comes along with it.. I mean you even admit it yourself that Ascending is KEY to making builds great now yet you cant be bothered to do the lab to achieve this power?

I hate to break it to all of you but if you guys think you just cry about how much you dont like the lab you are going to get that power free somehow.. its not going to happen. And for the record the Lab isnt even close to being that hard.. Atleast no where near as hard as everyone making these threads make out.. You choose to skip out on ascending because it requires you to do something that is challenging plain and simple.. When you fall you are suppose to pick yourself right back up and try again NOT just quit for the day or a few days.. Thats not a problem with the lab thats a character flaw nothing more.

Man up and Ascend your builds if you REALLY want that extra power it gives... Or dont do the lab and whine about how much its no fun to do something challenging to gain massive power for your build... In the end your still left with the task of doing the lab to ascend your characters.. Talk about a real waste of time..

And Ascendancy IS very optional.. If your dont ascend you are still running the same shit you had before the patch.. Ascendancy is a HUGE BUFF.. Nothing more. And wanting this Buff given for FREE somehow isnt even close to an answer if the Lab is such an issue.. If you dont like the lab then state WHY and WHAT exactly you dont like the lab instead and maybe it can be changed but all these treads begging for it to not be the way you get this huge buff to your build is a complete waste of time.. Here ill go for you.. The Traps.. They need tuneing for sure.. And thats coming from someone who not only has no problems with the lab but someone who has now run multiple ES builds through it as well.. MS if your friend as well as movement skills.. But the traps still do a very unfair amount of damage for an ES build in comparison to a life based build that can use flasks. Izaro is alot like Atziri as well in that he has mechanics.. And to my surprise theres still people who dont even recognize some of these mechanics.. Maybe make them more noticeable or have them easier to recognize somehow. These are called suggestions.. Talking about how you cant be bothered with the lab simply because you dont like it is not a suggestion.. its whining..

If you think Ascending is not optional then why are you not doing whatever it takes to make it happen? Like the rest of us? When you face challenges you are suppose to overcome them not take to the forums to cry about they are not fun and you should be ENTITLED to this stuff from there easier somehow instead... Most things that are challenges are NOT fun thats why they are a Challenge.

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RoyalStar wrote:

Miska is right, Perq totally wrong.

Perq is right, RoyalStar is wrong.

This is how we discuss nowadays?

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Ascendency points are not only mandatory, but also very important, to improve character with spell, block or other things, in order to "complete" a character class. And also you get the "name" of that ascendency class.

However I watching PoE forums after Ascendancy. Still I didn't try the new contents, I seen a lot of negative feedbacks about Ascendency, but I had negative feedback when GGG announced the labyrinths and all the fanboys were happy for that. :)

I think Labyrinths should be not mandatory to get ascendency classes and points, I would to try it, one time, just for fun, but "do it" for all my characters, and maybe I could to die too and lose experience, with my main at lvl 99. You crazy.

Mandatory implies very important. What.
Also, you didn't try the content, yet you already have an opinion on it? And then you call people who think it is ok, fanboys? And then you call me crazy? What in the flying fuck, man.

You could die and lose experience... What the hell. This is what this game is about - overcoming difficulty, which have a risk in them (dying and losing exp/character) and not gaining free bonuses, to feel like a princess, because now you have 500k DPS.

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Ascendency points are not only mandatory, but also very important

I think Labyrinths should be not mandatory to get ascendency classes and points, I would to try it, one time, just for fun,

Ok so let me get this straight.. You think Ascendancy is Mandatory and very important but the way to get these should NOT be mandatory and they should just be given away?

I cant even comprehend this shit... You are basically asking to please give me a huge buff to my builds eaiser or for free..

Hell while we are at it when i kill Mal from now on i want a free selection from all the T1 uniques.. You know because those are maditory to make endgame builds as well.. I would like to have a Shavs given to me to make my LL builds as well...

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Demonoz wrote:

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Ascendency points are not only mandatory, but also very important

I think Labyrinths should be not mandatory to get ascendency classes and points, I would to try it, one time, just for fun,

Ok so let me get this straight.. You think Ascendancy is Mandatory and very important but the way to get these should NOT be mandatory and they should just be given away?

I cant even comprehend this shit... You are basically asking to please give me a huge buff to my builds eaiser or for free..

Hell while we are at it when i kill Mal from now on i want a free selection from all the T1 uniques.. You know because those are maditory to make endgame builds as well.. I would like to have a Shavs given to me to make my LL builds as well...

Fuck, to think I've paid so much for my Shavs/Atziri's Disfavor, and in fact they should be given away for free. :(