SET FREE THE ASCENDANCY POINTS (or rework the lab) [New ascension methods/lab rework ideas]

@Pyrokar


Can you stop fucking shitposting PLEASE. I don't give a fuck about whatever the hell you said because [Removed by Support].

This thread is fucking retarted because instead of focusing on how to improve the lab, its focus is how to make the lab irrelevant and just give players the additional power that was suppose to be earned, for free.

Pathetic topic title and even worst people participating.

Im fucking done with this shit post and [Removed by Support].

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miljan wrote:

Holy crap, I just read the update OP thread. Really great suggestion and overall great post. Really great job on collecting all the info OP. Didnt even know that GGG posted their stats on how little people play in lab.

6.5% is a lot when you consider the fact that people are wanting to spend AS LITTLE TIME AS POSSIBLE in there to be efficient.

Of course you wouldnt know that because you don't know fucking shit.

Thats also the second week, you know after people would have already done the lab to ascend on their main characters.

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goetzjam wrote:

Im fucking done with this shit

It would seem you aren't. Most unfortunate.

edit: lol, you really think calling me names via PM is helping your case ?

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dyneol wrote:

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goetzjam wrote:

Im fucking done with this shit

It would seem you aren't. Most unfortunate.

I think he has half the posts in this 85+ page thread, repeats the same thing

Now now mr.goetjam, that's not a very honorable way of admitting defeat...
If it matters in any way possible, i'll have you know that you will be missed.

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goetzjam wrote:

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In terms of what Chris says, if I recall correctly he did say ascendancy points wouldn't be removed from the lab. So if you want to keep with what Chris is saying, then all you need to know is that.
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You have stated this multiple times. My recollection is that at one point you admitted you thought that you heard it in the ZiggyD interview. Further, my recollection from that interview has always been that Chris did not say this and that Regulator has asked you a couple of times to point out where you think that Chris did say this and you never responded positively to the request.

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goetzjam wrote:

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I did not speak about majority, you did. I just used your post where you said that majority would not play the labyrinth if they removed the points. And I agree with that, as I think that majority doesn't like the labyrinth, as same as you seem to think.

First off you are twisting what I said. The majority of the people that play, (and actually get to endgame) are going to play the lab, because they want the ascendancy points, however if the ascendancy points can be done without doing the lab, then the reasons to do the lab itself goes from being a factor that all endgame characters will have want to done, to a factor much less because people can PURCHASE everything else that has to do with the lab. Its not about wanting to due it or not, time factor would dictate that if the lab is turned into an optional piece of content, less then 50% of the players would do it, which completely defeats the largest part of the expansion.

For example I like the lab, but am I going to do it multiple times, probably not I can just buy the enchantments because TBH there isn't really anything else I can spend my wealth on now that everything in the game is stupid fucking cheap.

Here is what you said about the majority:

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Yes, majority of people would not play the lab because majority dont like that type of gameplay.

Except you don't know that, and you can't. Your correlate the majority of the people that wouldnt play the lab if AC was removed with them disliking it, but I am using the rewards and you are somehow saying that the rewards don't matter, it does, if the lab is a risk and the reward isn't high enough to do it, which it won't be for many players, then obviously people won't run it.

The thing is this. You see, people that like the lab will do that content because they find it fun. That is the core thing we are talking here about. You are saying if people dont need to get the points from the lab, they will not do it. And the main reason for that will be actually that its not fun to run the lab. Rewords are not the problem, as it can be increased to make it more worth the time. But as I said, and you say here indirectly, the lab is not fun for other people to make them do it.

I dont know, but the thing is, that information we have and data we have both from things like polls, GGG stats do show that the lab is not played a lot. And those information do give my assumption a lot more weight than someone saying that majority of people like the lab.

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goetzjam wrote:

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To get increase power it needs to be a challenge, but challenge that is part of this type of games. As someone said you dont put a mini card game behind a challenge in arpg game and expect people to like it.

Except it isn't a card game challenge. So your point is, well quite pointless.

Its not, because the traps dungeon is as different as card game, so that is the point.

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goetzjam wrote:

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Its very different, and its nothing like ground effects. This is a sequence of timed puzzles that are used in platformer games as people already said. This was never a part of any arpg out there. I dont know what D3 did or how it did it, as that game is known to be a action game more than a standard arpg game, so I will not be surprised if they have it (in fact looking at d3 videos, those traps are nothing like in PoE). You repeating something that is not correct will not make it more valid. There is literally no arpg in diablo style out there that has puzzle trap sequences.

You should inform yourself before you say someone is incorrect. Poe has the hammer style traps that come down, JUST like D3 does. Poe has a fire pit style trap, JUST like d3 does. The whole idea that it isn't similar is just wrong. Here is a perfect case where someone that doesn't know shit about another game wants to try and pretend they do. Its clear you ARE WRONG.

What has a type of trap have to do with anything? D2 also had individual traps similar to PoE. There is no stage like segment or dmg like segment like in PoE in D3. In fact can you post any arpg to have traps like puzzle sections like in PoE? No. You know your wrong here and trying to say because there are individual same traps in d3, it means its same. No its not. And caps dont make you any less wrong.

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goetzjam wrote:

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Is this a expansion or league doesnt really change anything.
If part of the game that is added, is very different from the core, and as you here say most people would not play it, than yes, it needs to be changed because the expansion actually sucks for most people.

Actually it does matter. Expansion content should remain relevant going forward, as I've said, league content can be relevant, but doesn't have to be that way.

I am not sure about izaro not offering chance of death? The boss will work same as in the maze, you cant die so you need to kill him. So it works like any part of the game. Here you again commenting on "most"\majority when you cannot know that, so you are stating it as if it were fact without any facts to prove it (dont bring a bias poll into the argument, don't stoop to that shitty of a level)

No, it doesnt. Expansion and league should remain relevant if that content is good. If its not than it needs to change. This is basic thing what you do when you make new content that is bad for any game, including POE. You fix it, change it. And thats what we are suggesting here. No one is removing anything from the game.

Look at poll , look at stats that GGG posted, look at this thread, chose your poison. There is a lot more data and information supporting this assumption of my. Yes its not fact, as same as its not fact what you said that majority will not play lab if they remove the points. But unlike your assumption, my is at least based on some information and data.

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goetzjam wrote:

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You must understand that forcing a bad part of the game that people dont like is not good thing for GGG to do. This needs to change, because leaving it as is makes the game worse for a lot of people. And the core problem of it is because of the heavy platformer gameplay that is very different than all other arpg (including PoE) and people hate that part.

Because you can't kill the traps you don't like the lab, thats literally the only explanation that can be made, because everything else (even the traps do despite you not acknowledging it) about the lab actually fits the genre and the game as a whole.

Sad you hate it, but I would hate the devs more if they just changed the design of the game everytime a bunch of people grouped together and circle jerked themself about how they dont think something fits.

The only explanation is simple. The trap dungeon make PoE a platformer game. I do not like platformer games. Its simple as that.

Not interested why you will hate something more or less, I am interested that POE gives as many option as possible so people can continue to have fun with the game. You getting angry if this problem is fixed that a lot of people have, and doesnt change anything for you, is really strange logic, but I guess your next part of post explains this and I understand now I wasted replay on a wrong person.

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goetzjam wrote:

I mean lets be honest here and consider a player like yourself, you BARELY fucking play this game and you want it to be changed to fit what you think the game should be. How is that fair for long term supporters likely myself or people that play this game significantly more then you? It isn't.

Its shame that you show your true face now and not before, I guess people are correct with you. How much you played or invested money doesnt make any point in this thread or your posts more valid. I am also a supporter and play the game, and I can as any other player in PoE make suggestions how to improve the game for everyone. Its shame that I wasted so much time on a fanboy.

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goetzjam wrote:

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miljan wrote:

Holy crap, I just read the update OP thread. Really great suggestion and overall great post. Really great job on collecting all the info OP. Didnt even know that GGG posted their stats on how little people play in lab.

6.5% is a lot when you consider the fact that people are wanting to spend AS LITTLE TIME AS POSSIBLE in there to be efficient.

Of course you wouldnt know that because you don't know fucking shit.

Thats also the second week, you know after people would have already done the lab to ascend on their main characters.

Aha, little fanboy getting angry that most people dont like the lab. All facts are pointing against everything you say dude. Just continue posting your crap. I need to laugh more. It looks thats the only thing you can do on this forum. I know truth hurts, but fanboys will be fanboys.

It mind blowing that there is a dude that try to defend changes to the shitty lab, that will not affect him in any fucking way. Holy crap, how low do you need to fall to be like that.

Well boys,we have more lab to complete in next patch,gg ggg.So hyped for new trap!