SET FREE THE ASCENDANCY POINTS (or rework the lab) [New ascension methods/lab rework ideas]

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Pyrokar wrote:

goet listen to this:
Izzuro is from an alternate reality that got eaten up by the nightmare, after beating Malachai he is freed as a ghost. Feeling grateful for his release he awards you with AC points.


No seriously what problems do you see with him lorewise?

You do realize you are able to ascend because you proved your worth by completing the labrinth right? So even if you can make this half brother make sense lore wise, which you haven't you can't make it fit the ASCENDING part.


Why would this half brother know how to give you the points, when even Izaro himself isn't aware of his exsistance or would have seeked him out to be the heir or to help find the heir.


So no, it doesn't fucking fit. Labs=ascendancy, focus on options that make that more acceptable to you, rather then throwing it behind something YOU FUCKING HAVE TO DO TO PROGRESS IN THE GAME ANYWAY.

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goetzjam wrote:

Why would this half brother know how to give you the points, when even Izaro himself isn't aware of his exsistance or would have seeked him out to be the heir or to help find the heir.

He took AC giving classes when he was in college / he was Izzaro in his alternate reality and retained some of his power even after being eaten by the nightmare / Izzaro wasn't aware of his existence but they are linked twins, what one twin can do the other can as well.
Endless possibilities.

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Pyrokar wrote:

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goetzjam wrote:

Why would this half brother know how to give you the points, when even Izaro himself isn't aware of his exsistance or would have seeked him out to be the heir or to help find the heir.

He took AC giving classes when he was in college / he was Izzaro in his alternate reality and retained some of his power even after being eaten by the nightmare / Izzaro wasn't aware of his existence but they are linked twins, what one twin can do the other can as well.
Endless possibilities.

None of them that actually fit lore wise though, nice shit level post though.

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goetzjam wrote:

None of them that actually fit lore wise though, nice shit level post though.

I think it fits very well!
You didn't ask me what linked twins are but i am gonna elaborate anyway:
Linked twins are twins that were linked with the power of the virtue gems after birth or by an orb of fusing.

Do you need any more examples or did you get the point? I can go all day long.

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Pyrokar wrote:

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goetzjam wrote:

None of them that actually fit lore wise though, nice shit level post though.

I think it fits very well!
You didn't ask me what linked twins are but i am gonna elaborate anyway:
Linked twins are twins that were linked with the power of the virtue gems after birth or by an orb of fusing.

Do you need any more examples or did you get the point? I can go all day long.

Yeah I know you can shitpost all day, at this point your just proving how stupid of an idea yours was many post ago. Thanks for that.

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goetzjam wrote:

Yeah I know you can shitpost all day, at this point your just proving how stupid of an idea yours was many post ago. Thanks for that.

May i ask the almighty forum leader what's so wrong with my suggestion / point?

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goetzjam wrote:

There is a really high possibility that the only changes that they do to the lab is "fixes" for ES\MOM builds to take less damage. They aren't "forcing" you to do anything, if you want the benefits, of course you have to complete the challenge, like every other fucking game on the planet.

Keys aren't really rewards, they are there to give rewards for doing more things inside of the lab, people do the lab for 2 things, enchantments and ascendancy points, you can buy the enchantments outside of the lab and if ascendancy points weren't in the lab then a great number of the population won't play the expansion content, then later complain they haven't gotten any new content in blah blah blah.

Lore is a problem, because its already been released in this state and is on many, many different websites, the actual larger issue here is that GGG partnered with many different outlets to release ascendancy information and to get them to correct the articles already posted would likely be a nightmare.

I really hope that is not the case. As they said they will be balancing the game soon around you have this points, and as it is very important part of the game, so its not something optional like end game boss, as said by developers them selves.

Yes, majority of people would not play the lab because majority dont like that type of gameplay. Expansion was released, so people saw the content. Now there is no more need to push people to do this very boring part of the game to get the subclasses.

Keys are rewords, because you get them more if the boss is harder. Same as enchantments. Those both things are rewords that can make your items enchantment sell for a lot.

Lore is really not the problem and has nothing to do with other sites that market it (most of things they posted on marketing is not anymore in the game anyway with all the leagues they had thats not anymore the same or in game). And anyway ascendancy reword can stay in the labyrinth itself, they just need to add additional option to get them without the need to go through traps section of the lab (maybe fight the buffed boss version directly just for points, so people dont need to go through all this shit).

There is really no reason for them to keep this rewords that are core part of poe now, behind lab, that is very different part of the game that obviously a lot of people that play POE and arpg dont like.

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Ragnar119 wrote:

I really hope that is not the case. As they said they will be balancing the game soon around you have this points, and as it is very important part of the game, so its not something optional like end game boss, as said by developers them selves.

Yes, majority of people would not play the lab because majority dont like that type of gameplay. Expansion was released, so people saw the content. Now there is no more need to push people to do this very boring part of the game to get the subclasses.

Keys are rewords, because you get them more if the boss is harder. Same as enchantments. Those both things are rewords that can make your items enchantment sell for a lot.

Lore is really not the problem and has nothing to do with other sites that market it (most of things they posted on marketing is not anymore in the game anyway with all the leagues they had thats not anymore the same or in game). And anyway ascendancy reword can stay in the labyrinth itself, they just need to add additional option to get them without the need to go through traps section of the lab (maybe fight the buffed boss version directly just for points, so people dont need to go through all this shit).

There is really no reason for them to keep this rewords that are core part of poe now, behind lab, that is very different part of the game that obviously a lot of people that play POE and arpg dont like.

I'm not saying its optional overall, only that it really is now at this stage of the game, despite Chris stating otherwise.

You do not get to speak on behalf of the majority of people, even the shitty poll that someone wanted to use doesn't dictate that the majority of the community dislikes the lab. As far as it already being released and people seeing the content, the forcing aspect should remain unique to the lab, because its additional power in exchange for completing a challenge. Side quest for skill points an alike are "forced" if you want to benefit from those as well.

Keys aren't rewords, they are rewards but not the kind people really go out of their way to seek out. In some cases yes you might do something slightly different, but in the end those things aren't why you or anyone does the lab, its simply a side effect.



"go through all this shit"

To gain increased power, yes, it needs to be a challenge and the best way is honest thru the lab, not only do the devs agree but many players like this aspect of the game that requires you to learn something new instead of just "killing" your way thru the challenge like literally everything else in the game.

Its different, but not that different as explained many fucking times already ground effects aren't new to poe, having to move your character out of danger isn't new. A couple of the traps in the lab are similar to ones in D3, so to say it doesn't fit this genre when the other large game in this genre does it, well that is just really an ignorant statement, considering its been mentioned here multiple times before, I know I've said it.

Again sorry you don't like the lab, but AC needs to stay in the lab, focus on making it better in someway for you to do the challenge presented, rather then just throwing it out as a concept. Expansions aren't like leagues, they aren't something people just need to experience once for a rotation and be forgotten, they are aspects of the game that are added and should remain relevant going forward, removing AC from the lab would very much make the lab irrelevant and therefore the expansion's largest piece of content irrelevant in the process as well.

With additional power in the balance, a challenge must be completed, no a supper buffed izaro that offers no chance of death on your character, that isn't going to cut it.