SET FREE THE ASCENDANCY POINTS (or rework the lab) [New ascension methods/lab rework ideas]
" I guess you've never played Torchlight before. Far less dangerous? I'd consider sleeping on the traps in PoE compared to those found in TL2. Carry on my waypoint son, there'll be peace when maps are done.
Lay your portal gem to rest, don't you die no more. 'Cause it's a bitter sweet symphony this league. Try to make maps meet, you're a slave to the meta, then you leave. |
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" Sacred had them too, and in a fairly nice variety, gas traps, dart traps, bear traps, rigged cannons and more, trap rooms too with electric barriers and whatnot. Wish the armchair developers would go back to developing armchairs.
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" You would be correct. I haven't bought many games recently. Mostly the Assassin's Creed series (fun, but getting dull, hate the sailing parts, and I liked the storyline better when it focused on the modern day stuff more), Destiny (definitely not my cup of tea - especially hated the jumping puzzles in the Kingsfall raid), (mainly because my best friend likes them, and wanted me to play too) and most recenly Grim Dawn and Fate (not liking Fate much, due to melee combat stuff being very lacking). Grim Dawn has some real potential, but the main reason I bought it was because it's got modding tools to build my own scenarios, and that tickles my fancy as a game developer myself. Haven't had a chance to try it out yet, as I have to move soon, and I have lots of other concerns taking my time in my non-recreational life. Though, my history with gaming goes back to the Atari 2600 and Colecovision, and most of my action RPG experience comes from classic fun games like Chrysalis, Secret of Mana and Soul Blazer (edit: oh, and Kingdom Hearts, the first one, haven't played any more of them yet); never played Diablo, and never plan to. So, that might give you and idea of where I'm coming from. (also edit: Most of my time playing games is spent evaluating how game elements work together, or don't work, always looking at things from a developer's point of view, trying to see their motivations and reasonings, and how that gets translated into implementation. That's why I see the Labyrinth as a mess, conceptually, and implementation-wise. It's more fundamental problems that I see, which is why I can break it down into what "doesn't work" to me, so much easier than people that just come here venting, I think.) Last edited by Zaludoz#6325 on Aug 30, 2017, 8:29:40 PM
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"You didn't contradict a single thing Zaludoz said, if you read his post carefully, but you wrote as if you did. He said "usually far less dangerous" and you mentioned one issue (lethality) for one game in your response. Is that the extent of your response? On a related note, I've played a fair amount of TL 2, getting to the upper level 60s on a vet hardcore engineer summoner, plus I've played several other characters in vanilla TL 2 and with the Synergies mod. I always lost interest at some point with TL 2 characters, hence no deeper progression. But, that wasn't because of traps, which I found to be well done in TL 2. Also, in TL 2 you had 4 difficulties from which you could choose (casual, normal, veteran, and elite). Traps end up being lethal in TL 2 when a player chooses a difficulty level at which that was likely, unlike in POE. Furthermore, character progression isn't gated behind trap gauntlets in TL 2; you could avoid the relatively small number of trap gauntlets in the game entirely in TL 2 and still explore all of your character's abilities, especially if you used mods, which is unlike POE. You can save your progress in TL 2 at pretty much any point and then take the game up again in a later session, whether traps are around or not; that's not how lab works in POE. Being online and subject to starting a trap-heavy area all over again if a disconnect occurs also isn't even a thing for TL 2, unlike for POE. Trials are also not a thing, in TL 2. In short, by citing TL 2 you en up highlighting how trap gauntlets that have character progression gated behind them, that ignore most of your defenses, that require a "start to finish" gameplay session, that require an online connection and force you to start over if a disconnect occurs, and that are designed to be lethal, is a POE thing. Put another way, Mercury really doesn't have the same temperature as Earth, even though both planets have something you can accurately label as "temperature." Now that prestige classes will finally leave lab in 4.0, will GGG get it right this time or will they find new ways to repeat old mistakes?
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" LowBudget780, thank you for voicing your opinion on the frustrating unenjoyable mess called labyrinth. I've added your name to the list of people that have shared a similar point of view, now at 925 names. Over 340 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 920 posters in support Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support (thread # 1702621) Thank you all! GGG will implement a different method for ascension in PoE2. Retired!
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" I don't always have time for a lengthy response. Also, responding to posts made against the Lab here is a little like trying to put out a fire with petrol. Anyway, here we go again: TL2 has very dangerous traps that can easily kill a character built to be extremely tanky in a matter of seconds. A character built to be tanky in PoE can go AFK in spike traps and never die. Also, you don't deal with those traps for some extra ascendancy passives either, they are in core maps of the game and block any progression. You HAVE to pass them if you want to play at all. In PoE, you only have to if you want those passives. But that's just it, isn't it? The condition is set and you know exactly what you have to do, yet you do not agree to it and won't do it as a result. As Izaro would say "An emperor must know precisely where he stands." Carry on my waypoint son, there'll be peace when maps are done.
Lay your portal gem to rest, don't you die no more. 'Cause it's a bitter sweet symphony this league. Try to make maps meet, you're a slave to the meta, then you leave. |
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Do traps in TL2 block one of the most important aspects of the build?
If not, they are not comparable to traps in PoE "War's over, soldier. You just don't know it yet. Everybody lost."
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" I literally answer this in my post above. I won't repeat myself. Carry on my waypoint son, there'll be peace when maps are done.
Lay your portal gem to rest, don't you die no more. 'Cause it's a bitter sweet symphony this league. Try to make maps meet, you're a slave to the meta, then you leave. |
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A fucking joke, game froze while doing the sins trial in act7. 67lvls of progress are now in standard, thx Obama. Had both pantheon powers that reduced dmg over time taken + 650regen. Interesting that if a freeze like that would have happened anywhere else up to a certain level i would have been well and alive.
Is it the fault of stupid mechanics? The fault of stupid game engine? The fault of stupid design? Or a combination of them? GGG notice those things, and understand why the lab - with all the things mentioned here and elsewhere that make it a bad idea - is totally bullshit. The fact that a simple freeze (2-3 seconds and i instantly turned off the pc) can kill anyone is beyond bullshit. Especially when making preparations and building against situations like these. No thought for HC population. Inundated with cockroaches, I am
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1609216 - labyrinth rework ideas/suggestions |
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" These things can happen anywhere, anytime. You can blame whoever you want, it's not going to change the fact it can still happen. This time you died in a trial, next could be a pack or boss in a map, or Shaper or Atziri. It doesn't mean any of those situations are a problem. The problem is the freeze in client. Stick to the core issue. Sorry for your loss, I know how it feels and it sucks. Carry on my waypoint son, there'll be peace when maps are done.
Lay your portal gem to rest, don't you die no more. 'Cause it's a bitter sweet symphony this league. Try to make maps meet, you're a slave to the meta, then you leave. |
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