SET FREE THE ASCENDANCY POINTS (or rework the lab) [New ascension methods/lab rework ideas]

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Char1983 wrote:

Reading through the last two pages or so, it seems impossible to reasonably discuss with the anti-lab fraction.

Well, in most cases nobody from pro-lab fraction gives reasonable answers for arguments in OP.
in most cases we have variants of "git gud" or "because GGG said so" (or 'because of lore" but in 3.0 this is not a relevant argument anymore).
Reasonable discussion?
Hardly

Not really lab related:

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Turtledove wrote:

You can thank us for the improvements to the first two labs in 3.0.

And all of you can thank me for the CoC and AoE nerfs, they were done according to my posted specifications in their entirety.

I'm eagerly awaiting your heartfelt thanks, please don't hold back.

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raics wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

You can thank us for the improvements to the first two labs in 3.0.

And all of you can thank me for the CoC and AoE nerfs, they were done according to my posted specifications in their entirety.

I'm eagerly awaiting your heartfelt thanks, please don't hold back.

THANK YOU!!


edit: Just a reminder, GGG explicitly stated that they were making the changes in response to the labyrinth feedback. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1899252

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Char1983 wrote:

Reading through the last two pages or so, it seems impossible to reasonably discuss with the anti-lab fraction.

However, just remember: What the game entails is decided by GGG, not by you. You can dislike it, but you cannot tell that it is "not PoE-like", since what PoE is is up to GGG to define.

Besides, there are other core aspects of PoE that have nothing to do with the "run and kill monsters" theme either. Including most master mission, anything that has to do with socketing/linking/coloring or crafting maps, for example.

I am impressed though by how long you stick around and how much time you spend on something that, by now, should be clear to be a lost cause.

Next Supporter pack should have a shirt that has this post on it.

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The_Reporter wrote:

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Char1983 wrote:

Reading through the last two pages or so, it seems impossible to reasonably discuss with the anti-lab fraction.

That's because the lab/trials are half-baked, poorly designed, unoptimized and lazy content. If you enjoy it, no need to visit this thread.

But if we didn't, you'd have nothing to report. If you didn't, we'd have nothing to report either. See? We need each other. <3

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Turtledove wrote:

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raics wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

You can thank us for the improvements to the first two labs in 3.0.

And all of you can thank me for the CoC and AoE nerfs, they were done according to my posted specifications in their entirety.

I'm eagerly awaiting your heartfelt thanks, please don't hold back.

THANK YOU!!


edit: Just a reminder, GGG explicitly stated that they were making the changes in response to the labyrinth feedback. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1899252

! thing I don't understand about the mindset of the developer is. They KNOW most players want lab to be shorter. So they make lab shorter, but not for merciless & Uber? Does it not occured to GGG, that when players said they want lab to be short, they meant ALL. Obviosuly its better than nothing, but sometimes you just strech your haed at mindset of GGG.

As average age of gamers grow older each year, the need for short meaningful game time become more apparent, as older we get, generally, the shorter game time we have. This is why most modern games are design that each session last no more than 20 mins. FPS, DOTA you name them.

If GGG is interested in winning or retaining older gamers, which I think they are, as /fun fact), as we get older, we also become richer, they need to make any session short & sweet, or add checkpoints

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KiadawP wrote:

! thing I don't understand about the mindset of the developer is. They KNOW most players want lab to be shorter. So they make lab shorter, but not for merciless & Uber? Does it not occured to GGG, that when players said they want lab to be short, they meant ALL.

I think they said somewhere that normal lab is too cumbersome to make for a good introduction to the system, that sounds like the real reason they changed it. A noob goes into normal lab for the first time and spends half a day in there or gets creamed by charged Izzy, that's most likely the feedback they reacted to, not some of us saying that traps suck in general.

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raics wrote:

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KiadawP wrote:

! thing I don't understand about the mindset of the developer is. They KNOW most players want lab to be shorter. So they make lab shorter, but not for merciless & Uber? Does it not occured to GGG, that when players said they want lab to be short, they meant ALL.

I think they said somewhere that normal lab is too cumbersome to make for a good introduction to the system, that sounds like the real reason they changed it. A noob goes into normal lab for the first time and spends half a day in there or gets creamed by charged Izzy, that's most likely the feedback they reacted to, not some of us saying that traps suck in general.

For internal political reasons, it might have been quite a bit easier to frame the rationale for making the changes they did as "Help the new player!", while those involved remained quietly aware that criticism directed at lab from more experienced players has never really slowed own.

There's no reason why GGG might not have considered both the plight of new players confronting a gameplay experience very different from the rest of POE and the negative feedback of a lot of more experienced players. This isn't an "either / or" situation.

Their earlier dev manifesto about lab received a torrent of criticism, so it's not like they're unaware there are a lot of players who dislike or hate lab.