SET FREE THE ASCENDANCY POINTS (or rework the lab) [New ascension methods/lab rework ideas]

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Zalhan2 wrote:

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raics wrote:

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Nishrek wrote:

If somebody cares ofc, because GGG has shown big middle finger to all "lab can't be changed because of lore" arguments in 3.0

To be entirely fair here, the lore argument was about detaching ascending from lab, I don't think anyone was saying the whole thing down to the smallest detail is locked down tighter than a miser's purse.

I agree the fights aren't the issue its the stupid traps and the time it takes to get to the last fight. Remove the lab bullshit and leave the 3 fights.

Yeah, remove the game part of the game, just leave a level 100 character with full gear so we can uninstall?

Man, I really hope no developer will ever listen to someone like you. Otherwise games are going to be nothing more than a login screen from now on. At least until you decide it's too hard to remember a password as well and cut that out too.

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Xavathos wrote:

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Zalhan2 wrote:

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I agree the fights aren't the issue its the stupid traps and the time it takes to get to the last fight. Remove the lab bullshit and leave the 3 fights.

Yeah, remove the game part of the game, just leave a level 100 character with full gear so we can uninstall?

Man, I really hope no developer will ever listen to someone like you. Otherwise games are going to be nothing more than a login screen from now on. At least until you decide it's too hard to remember a password as well and cut that out too.

You just did this:



... in an obvious, obvious way. That's better than the direct ad hominem so often used in this thread by the "lab defending faithful." But, its still not very nice to twist somebody's words in such an obvious way, nor is it persuasive.

With some who post here regularly, I wouldn't even bother replying because this kind of stuff is just them being who they are. You seem capable of better, though, and it seems like you often aspire to better. Hopefully I'm not off base in seeing that.

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raics wrote:

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KiadawP wrote:

Also its very build dependence. Often players have to make changes to their build to do the traps. This is silly.

Define often, never had to do it personally and never heard any of my buddies complain they had to do it, but I'm keeping an open mind. If you meant something like removing abyssus, that isn't much of a change because it has no core stats you have to make up for, you can just remove the thing and go bareheaded.

Though it might be a good thing, you know, we had atziri setups, dried lake setups, strand setups, shaper setups, what's wrong with having a lab setup? That's a thing in games like this, wouldn't support doing it for every other boss but sometimes it's fine.

One example I can think of is that it has been suggested in the past multiple times that one could spec out of VP before doing lab. Of course, Nishrek's suggestion using the pantheon skills is a better suggestion now.

I think the more important issue though is that some find the trap game play a disliked chore. That means we play it as little as possible. That means that when attempting lab the build being able to deal more effectively with traps becomes more important than the same build being run through the lab by someone that is far more practiced at running trap gauntlets.

Dunno, man, I don't think traps will be going anywhere anytime soon so learning how to deal with them still seems like a pretty good investment to me. It's something like joining a guild in some team pvp game and learning to play a healer even though you hate it because you might have to take one for the team and do it some day. Or learning a char you don't like in a fighting game because it's a good counterpick when someone counterpicks your main.

Especially since it doesn't really take much effort, just watch what the traps are doing and keep it cool, rushing is fine but only if you're sure you won't choke if you get stuck somewhere.

This is how POE wants uns to deal with traps:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNhp0g_Xds8

Just be fast ;-). I am not a fan of it though...

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Wp_blitzi wrote:

This is how POE wants uns to deal with traps:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNhp0g_Xds8

Just be fast ;-). I am not a fan of it though...

Yea angryaa had a less efficient simular build a year ago. I bought all the equipment and realized I didn't want to play this game anymore if you're stuck making stupid builds you do not want to play.

What's worse is that guy makes more cash than probably the best mappers in much more expensive gear by 2 magnitudes because they are bribing people to play bad content.

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EnjoyTheJourney wrote:

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Xavathos wrote:

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Zalhan2 wrote:

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I agree the fights aren't the issue its the stupid traps and the time it takes to get to the last fight. Remove the lab bullshit and leave the 3 fights.

Yeah, remove the game part of the game, just leave a level 100 character with full gear so we can uninstall?

Man, I really hope no developer will ever listen to someone like you. Otherwise games are going to be nothing more than a login screen from now on. At least until you decide it's too hard to remember a password as well and cut that out too.

You just did this:

Spoiler

http://slideplayer.com/slide/4484486/14/images/20/Common+Fallacies:+Slippery+Slope.jpg

... in an obvious, obvious way. That's better than the direct ad hominem so often used in this thread by the "lab defending faithful." But, its still not very nice to twist somebody's words in such an obvious way, nor is it persuasive.

With some who post here regularly, I wouldn't even bother replying because this kind of stuff is just them being who they are. You seem capable of better, though, and it seems like you often aspire to better. Hopefully I'm not off base in seeing that.

Stop trying to bait me into this ad hominem bullshit. I didn't insult him, I wasn't rude, I'm just expressing my opinion and my concerns regarding his conduct and view on the game I just so happen to adore. My words in this thread have been twisted, pulled in all directions, folded, mirrored and turned inside out more than I can count, by people who want nothing more than to see this game destroyed. People who don't like it, who don't play it, people who shouldn't even be here. I tolerate them until they step out of line and then I share my opinion with them. I'm entitled to my opinion am I not, Your Honour?

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Xavathos wrote:

My words in this thread have been twisted, pulled in all directions, folded, mirrored and turned inside out more than I can count, (...)

Wrong.
You've shown perfect strawman. He did not twist your words. He just called this what it was.
Why there are no 700+ threads about Hall of Grandmasters, Uber Atziri, Shaper, Guardians? Many builds can't do them without expensive gear, or they require more skilled players.
Curious, huh?

I am still surprised anyone feels the best parts of the lab are those traps and removing them makes this game empty. I think it's just baiting.

Its pretty obvious those boring stupid uncreative traps are just a time sink.

Why not just play a 15 minute spongebob video when you enter the lab. It accomplishes the same thing.