SET FREE THE ASCENDANCY POINTS (or rework the lab) [New ascension methods/lab rework ideas]

IT'S FUCKING SHIT.

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Pyrokar wrote:

Also, i thought they removed traps from normal and cruel labs how did you guys encounter a screen-full of them?

You thought wrong then.

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Nishrek wrote:

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Pyrokar wrote:

Also, i thought they removed traps from normal and cruel labs how did you guys encounter a screen-full of them?

You thought wrong then.

There are still trap gauntlets. I was able to theoretically avoid all trap gauntlets in my two runs of the first two labyrinths. Although at one point I thought I might need to run one and instead got an extra treasure key at the end. Not sure if it's the same for all runs of the first two labyrinths or not though. Note that I wasn't bothering trying to use the labyrinth "cheat" maps at the time.

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Turtledove wrote:

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EnjoyTheJourney wrote:

Yesterday there was one of those "can't see the end because it's too far away" trap gauntlets in normal difficulty. It featured spike traps from the ground and those poisoned darts firing across them. So, I waited a day and went through normal lab when I didn't need to don a frog suit and step out into moving traffic.

RNG can still turn even normal lab into a platform minigame.

I like the majority of the rest of the game. But, lab is still very much a "put up with it" experience, put as quickly as possible into the rear view mirror.

"&" added after your name. It seems pretty certain to me that most everyone that found trap gauntlets less fun before 3.0 will feel the same after but, we'll see?

Thank you for your good work, Turtle.

Ascendancy points are not a personal preference, and anyone who says that is being dishonest and rather dismissive. If you go into this argument with that strawman point, you are just flat out wrong.

Compare how many players have quit due to Ascendancy points being gated behind lab to how many players will quit if the points are no longer gated behind lab. A rough ratio of 9999:0. We see what's actually vital and what can be changed, based on a purely economical standpoint. That is why I scoff at all the people here saying this falls on deaf ears. Maybe it does, and if so, what a shame for GGG's profits. T

Almost all opposers have come here to ridicule people who share the general opinion in this thread. They want to dismiss and silence people by telling them they need to get good, or that people are asking for handouts by suggesting change. They are trying to distract from the point and silence people, and they are trying to illicit a fight by trolling. Also, the general connection problems many people have with the game, not to mention additional connection problems caused by the lab, completely nullify any of that garbage talk. I'm pretty convinced a lot of these people are making a killing on Lab service, so they definitely don't want it to change.

The Lab needs to stay and be there for enchanting gear, not for unlocking points(that in actuality are NOT optional).

Just because there are numerous other(more relevant) ways to gate points doesn't mean people are asking for handouts. We don't want the points for free. POE is not too easy without having to run the lab, and if it was, there would be a hell of a lot of cooler ways to make it more challenging.

It's still funny that if you criticize any feature of the game at all the GGG chearleaders ignore the issue and bash the person but can't refute the actual issue.

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Professor_Robot wrote:

Ascendancy points are not a personal preference, and anyone who says that is being dishonest and rather dismissive. If you go into this argument with that strawman point, you are just flat out wrong.

Compare how many players have quit due to Ascendancy points being gated behind lab to how many players will quit if the points are no longer gated behind lab. A rough ratio of 9999:0. We see what's actually vital and what can be changed, based on a purely economical standpoint. That is why I scoff at all the people here saying this falls on deaf ears. Maybe it does, and if so, what a shame for GGG's profits. T

Almost all opposers have come here to ridicule people who share the general opinion in this thread. They want to dismiss and silence people by telling them they need to get good, or that people are asking for handouts by suggesting change. They are trying to distract from the point and silence people, and they are trying to illicit a fight by trolling. Also, the general connection problems many people have with the game, not to mention additional connection problems caused by the lab, completely nullify any of that garbage talk. I'm pretty convinced a lot of these people are making a killing on Lab service, so they definitely don't want it to change.

The Lab needs to stay and be there for enchanting gear, not for unlocking points(that in actuality are NOT optional).

Just because there are numerous other(more relevant) ways to gate points doesn't mean people are asking for handouts. We don't want the points for free. POE is not too easy without having to run the lab, and if it was, there would be a hell of a lot of cooler ways to make it more challenging.

Thank you for sharing your opinion of the disliked labyrinth (trap gauntlets game play). I've added your name to the list of names that have voiced a similar opinion, now at 922 names.

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Zalhan2 wrote:

It's still funny that if you criticize any feature of the game at all the GGG chearleaders ignore the issue and bash the person but can't refute the actual issue.

Labyrinth like or dislike is just a personal opinion. It is funny that many think that they can argue that our personal opinion is wrong or somehow misguided. Funny but true.

I like the lab how it is its a gr8 way of testing your char how good or bad your gear or spec is and when you done you get rewarded. What's wrong with that some ppl are so lazy they just want hand outs man this is not Diablo 3, no hate intended but making this game easy well lots of ppl will lose interest in this game then.

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Professor_Robot wrote:

Compare how many players have quit due to Ascendancy points being gated behind lab to how many players will quit if the points are no longer gated behind lab. A rough ratio of 9999:0. We see what's actually vital and what can be changed, based on a purely economical standpoint. That is why I scoff at all the people here saying this falls on deaf ears. Maybe it does, and if so, what a shame for GGG's profits.

Nobody knows how many quit due to the laby so your speculated ratio is nothing more than a wild uneducated guess. Lots of things have forced masses to quit over the course of the years and the game is still doing just fine. Changes to crit, item nerfs, skill nerfs, the list goes on and on. People act like the laby is going to kill poe yet the playerbase keeps growing and so does GGG.

Fun fact, the most vocal 'quitters' are still here and still playing.

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Professor_Robot wrote:

Almost all opposers have come here to ridicule people who share the general opinion in this thread. They want to dismiss and silence people by telling them they need to get good, or that people are asking for handouts by suggesting change.

Whether you want to admit it or not a significant portion of complainers fall into the l2p category. Simple ignorance of the laby mechanics makes for an unpleasant experience for some. A very few complainers have learned the laby mechanics and now enjoy it demonstrating that there clearly is a l2p issue for some. So it's not trolling to tell someone they need to git gud if they're bad at what they're doing. Try offering some of those people honest advice in an attempt to lessen their discomfort and you get called a white knight/shit eating beetle and various other things. It's clear by reading some of these posts that the player simply doesn't understand the mechanics or haven't put in the effort to learn how to efficiently blast through the parts of the game they don't enjoy.

Lets also face the facts, there are trolls on both sides. And it's blatantly clear which side has the more tenacious trolls. Here's a hint, they keep this thread alive with nonsense and off-topic rhetoric. If it weren't for them, this thread would have fallen waaaay beyond the first page.

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Professor_Robot wrote:

They are trying to distract from the point and silence people, and they are trying to illicit a fight by trolling.

Or they're just countering stupid bullshit claims. *shrugs*

It is quite interesting how some of the complainers resort to name calling at anyone who has a differing opinion. And yet they claim the other side is trolling. You can't even make this shit up. lol

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Professor_Robot wrote:

Also, the general connection problems many people have with the game, not to mention additional connection problems caused by the lab, completely nullify any of that garbage talk.

Is the connectivity issue in the laby back? I haven't played much of 3.0 so I'm unaware of any issues of the sort. I do know however that when the laby was first released there was a disconnection bug with certain instances in the laby. They fixed it before, so I'm sure they'll fix it again. It does suck ass to be disconnected in there though, I'll give you that. I can honestly say that I get more pissed off getting disconnected in there than anywhere else and I really enjoy the laby. :)

Also, if you're having connectivity issues you should run This Test to prove where the issue is originating. People don't understand how internet connections work and just assume it's GGG's servers because "every other game I play works fine and I can watch streams and youtube".

None of that matters because that's just not how the internet works.

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Professor_Robot wrote:

I'm pretty convinced a lot of these people are making a killing on Lab service, so they definitely don't want it to change.

You're probably right, but there are also people like myself that don't give 2 shits about making currency and just genuinely enjoy the laby.

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Professor_Robot wrote:

Just because there are numerous other(more relevant) ways to gate points doesn't mean people are asking for handouts. We don't want the points for free.

We'll have to agree to disagree on that one. Asking for the points to be moved behind quest bosses or having them granted at level thresholds is asking for something for nothing. Sure not everyone is asking for that but I haven't seen one suggestion that doesn't (to me) feel like a handout.

Ascendancy points should not be moved. That doesn't mean they should stop improving the experience though, and all signs point to them continually improving it.