SET FREE THE ASCENDANCY POINTS (or rework the lab) [New ascension methods/lab rework ideas]

Holy shit you two (you know who you are), you really, REALLY need to take your quarrel to PM. It poisons this thread, derails this thread, attracts trolls to this thread, and disrespects both Lab proponents and Lab opponents who make constructive posts which are subsequently buried by your extremely personal argument.

I see you bury good posts again and again and again with pages upon pages of vitriolic and unpleasant crap. Yes, we get it, you can't stand each other. Take it to PM already.

Edit: No, putting your personal, off-topic argument between spoiler tags does NOT change the effects of your behavior upon this thread. (That I just now explicitly described, in an extremely easy-to-understand list.) Not even a little. Do I actually have to say this? Honestly, Fruz, how hard would it have been for you to put your off-topic retort in a PM?

I don't like people spreading bullshit (especially when they are talking about me) so I just write down simple answers.
I try to stay on topic though, not to post only regarding this.
But I'll put it in a spoiler if you want, just for your !

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raics wrote:

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triggeredfatfeminist wrote:

well yeah! for example i could put all the phys dmg shit i can find on a doomfletch, stack a few orange balls, cast vaal ic and oneshot kaom while i have that 2-3 sec immortality for example. or just nuke from a far in case of that retarded dark forest boss

Then your build has a weakness, you made it fully aware you will not be able to do any content that counters it.

Just so.
Plus calling the dark forest boss "retarded" when it's one that has really interesting mechanics compared to most bosses .....
Smells like someone that just want to faceroll the game and cannot be bothered to actually interact with the content beyond blowing it up, I wish that GGG will not go that way, not more that what they have already done.

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gibbousmoon wrote:

Holy shit you two (you know who you are), you really, REALLY need to take your quarrel to PM. It poisons this thread, derails this thread, attracts trolls to this thread, and disrespects both Lab proponents and Lab opponents who make constructive posts which are subsequently buried by your extremely personal argument.

I see you bury good posts again and again and again with pages upon pages of vitriolic and unpleasant crap. Yes, we get it, you can't stand each other. Take it to PM already.

Edit: No, putting your personal, off-topic argument between spoiler tags does NOT change the effects of your behavior upon this thread. (That I just now explicitly described, in an extremely easy-to-understand list.) Not even a little. Do I actually have to say this? Honestly, Fruz, how hard would it have been for you to put your off-topic retort in a PM?

It all depends on the way that GGG looks at the forum threads. My guess is that when it comes to labyrinth GGG does not read through the posts looking for a feel of how the player base feels. Especially for an old thread like this. It would more likely be looked at for the level of discussion activity and how commonly the labyrinth threads are on the first page.

On a tangential subject, if Regulator is interested in continuing to document ideas for alternative methods for the getting AP and reworking the labyrinth, I would suggest something like freezing the current OP, maybe putting it in spoiler tags(?) and adding a new section based off the current 3.0 PoE. Based on 3.0, I think that the focus should be placed more on what can be done to improve the third and fourth labyrinths.

This thread is still going? Wow, some people have a passion for playing the game, while others have a passion for being pissed off about something.

Be happy for the changes in 3.0 to appease the complainers. But since the complainers are still typing, I'll type too: I love the lab, and even more so in 3.0. Oh, and GGG, please keep ascendancy points tied to the lab completion, thanks.

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The_Reporter wrote:

Lab is crap.

Specifically, the trap game play is crap. The idea to not allow portals or checkpoints in labyrinth is also crap. It hinders in game trading and real life interruptions. I also consider that saying, "Lab is crap" to also mean that the trials are crap.

Trials are a pain in the butt because they mess up your map tempo. Plus they are god awful boring.

As much as I am a fan of having "skill checks" in my games, I agree that Lab is going to be, and always have been, a sort of annoying rite of passage of all players.

This type of rites of passage fits maps more, since maps are dedicated endgame content, and we already do have skill checks in maps, with Shaper being big daddy, and his Guardians being skill checks, as well as the various Unique maps as additional challenges.

I'm not saying Lab should become an endgame exclusive experience, but I never liked the idea of newborn baby characters at Level 33 now, facing the choice of trying to tackle Lab.

And not to mention the hassle of actually finding 6 trials! (U have to do this 18 times in the past for every league!? whuuuuuut!?)

Imo, Ascendancies should become event rewards regarding the lab.

What if GGG changed how the lab works in relation to the story?

Say, ur in Sarn the first time in Act 3, and Hagan entices u with the offer of exploring the lab the very first time and when u face Izaro the first time (no full lab experience, just a straight beeline through Lab exterior into Aspirant Trials) u get a scripted fight where u bring Izaro down to 2/3 life and he thumps ur ass like Act 5 Kitava does, then sends u out with 3 Ascendancy points as u have grown from the battle.

Then for ur next encounter with him would be at act 8 where Hagan asks u if ur ready to take on the Lab again, and u manage to finish Stage 1 (2/3 life) and stage 2 (1/3 life) and Izaro thumps ur ass and kicks u out with another 3 points.

Then the final encounter would be full lab experience for maps, and u actually have to do trials now to get Offerings of the Goddess for a Uber Lab and then u get to fight Izaro for all 3 phases and get ur final 2 points and scoot the hell out.

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Zalhan2 wrote:

Trials are a pain in the butt because they mess up your map tempo. Plus they are god awful boring.

Trials are one of the few things that go against the clear speed meta ( even though it is more efficieny to speed run them, ironically ).

We need more things like this.

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Myonaise wrote:

What if GGG changed how the lab works in relation to the story?

Say, ur in Sarn the first time in Act 3, and Hagan entices u with the offer of exploring the lab the very first time and when u face Izaro the first time (no full lab experience, just a straight beeline through Lab exterior into Aspirant Trials) u get a scripted fight where u bring Izaro down to 2/3 life and he thumps ur ass like Act 5 Kitava does, then sends u out with 3 Ascendancy points as u have grown from the battle.

Then for ur next encounter with him would be at act 8 where Hagan asks u if ur ready to take on the Lab again, and u manage to finish Stage 1 (2/3 life) and stage 2 (1/3 life) and Izaro thumps ur ass and kicks u out with another 3 points.

Then the final encounter would be full lab experience for maps, and u actually have to do trials now to get Offerings of the Goddess for a Uber Lab and then u get to fight Izaro for all 3 phases and get ur final 2 points and scoot the hell out.

That could work, however it has been suggested here that GGG could make less Izaro encounter in the first labs so that it would grow bigger for the next iterations, but it seems that GGG just did not want to go for that.

They likely want to keep 4 labs imho, so it could be :
Normal lab with only one Izaro
Cruel lab with only 2 Izaro
Merc lab with 3 Izaro
The eternal lab ( that most don't even get to experience, which is why the merc labyrinth needs to provide a good enough experience, not an overview of it ), or Izaro's revenge !


But to be honest, as they already changed a bit the Izaro mechanics in the first labs, I don't think that they are going to change it again, or at least not anytime soon imo.

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gibbousmoon wrote:

Edit: No, putting your personal, off-topic argument between spoiler tags does NOT change the effects of your behavior upon this thread. (That I just now explicitly described, in an extremely easy-to-understand list.) Not even a little. Do I actually have to say this? Honestly, Fruz, how hard would it have been for you to put your off-topic retort in a PM?

I merely made it easier for you to ignore.
I don't care actually.
However, I don't usually answer only about it when it escalates too far and becomes too stupid of a "conversation".

Your post had no other purposes though, who's adding useless off-topic posts now ?