SET FREE THE ASCENDANCY POINTS (or rework the lab) [New ascension methods/lab rework ideas]

@Kellog (and Nishrek, since he is completely missing the point too I guess)

I am going to make it as clear and simple as possible (and as I showed very explicitely, you fallaciously cut a sentence in half before quoting it, Im not even sure if you realize it at this point) :

You said used the fact that the lab is a carrot on a stick to make it look bad, to try to "attack" it.
You are the one who started that.
And as I, and Raics have been pointing out for pages :

"

raics wrote:

If it is so, then it isn't all that different in principle to optional quests, it does differ in execution but its rewards also differ from everything you can otherwise earn so it makes sense.

The sole fact that the ascendancy points, and the lab are a carrot on a stick does not make it different from the rest of the game.
The end.


Let's see how many will miss the bolded word here ....

"

Pyrokar wrote:

Unusual content for unusual reward eh? I guess we can expect rhoa racing and shoot em up for other rewards deemed unusual by you if they decide to put them in the game?

If the reward is unusual anything goes?

No thanks.

I suggested chess against watson to replace the Lab.

Very challenging!

What I get from the Carrot/stick comments is:

While the entire game can be broken down to carrot/stick quests, in other words: rewards for doing things, the non-labyrinth quests of the game, in general, are fun, and those quests consist of normal PoE gameplay activities...

Compared to: the labyrinth is not played 'for fun' and consists of avoid-trap gameplay, and is only completed for the rewards at the end - thus, the extreme of "carrot/stick" only for many (of course, if you find the Labyrinth fun, this reduces the stick portion of the carrot/stick issue).

In this conversation, I'd say the Labyrinth is dead center for attacks against content that is only run for the reward, and not because it's the fun gameplay experienced in the rest of the game.

"

Zaludoz wrote:

In this conversation, I'd say the Labyrinth is dead center for attacks against content that is only run for the reward, and not because it's the fun gameplay experienced in the rest of the game.

That's the main thing right there - "Is the idea of content that we run only for the rewards an issue at all in current PoE, as long as we run it?" Sadly, I don't think it is.

So why are they changing it?

"

Pyrokar wrote:

So why are they changing it?

So instead of waiting until you can shit on the content and its trivial to do so you have more of an incentive to do it while leveling now and they can re-balance the game for the new act 1-10 progression instead of acts 1-4 repeating 3 times.

"

Pyrokar wrote:

So why are they changing it?

You can't see the pattern?

What's their usual sequence of action when we aren't terribly pleased with some piece of content?
1. Make it more rewarding.
2. Cut it down so it's easier to manage.
3. Truly improve it so it's more fun to do.

Goes without saying that number 3 is the hardest and most time consuming, they do it only if they really have to and are in the situation to do so. For instance, they're improving the levelling process because adding new acts to the existing system became an issue, they could have made it 5x2 but they would run into the same problem sooner or later so they went the extra mile.

But that would mean that people didn't wanna bother to repeat it, if they failed , when they did it at an appropriate level.

If it was fun to repeat then they wouldn't overlevel it and then attempt it.

So:
A) Lab wasn't fun for the silent majority
And
B) They had to change it in order to not lose the support of the silent majority; the lab haters.

"

Pyrokar wrote:

But that would mean that people didn't wanna bother to repeat it, if they failed , when they did it at an appropriate level.

If it was fun to repeat then they wouldn't overlevel it and then attempt it.

So:
A) Lab wasn't fun for the silent majority
And
B) They had to change it in order to not lose the support of the silent majority; the lab haters.

Now your just making shit up.

They changed it because it was time to change it, just like it was time to change from 4 acts repeating to 10 total acts.


Perhaps its fine for the majority, but in order to appeal even slightly to the people in this thread they tossed you a bone and apparently thats not enough. Too bad, it will never be enough for people like you.

they do have the numbers, so one could ofc only speculate.

Maybe they see that many just do normal lab, or even fail it completely, quitting the game as a result. Aaand they are working on making uber lab more rewarding. So i'll guess we'll see how it pans out for them.

Personally I will still just do it for the ascendancy points, because the lab gameplay is atrocious, and not worth my time. I will just farm the good ol' maps for the lootz. Can only do so much to make a pile of manure smell nice ;)