SET FREE THE ASCENDANCY POINTS (or rework the lab) [New ascension methods/lab rework ideas]

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Regulator wrote:

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Xavathos wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

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raics wrote:

You know, all this wouldn't be so amusing if PoE didn't borrow from more games than it doesn't. That's certainly no news and you can't really fault devs for finding inspiration in other games or even genres. The way I see it, saying 'you implemented frogger elements badly, this and this doesn't work well' is a lot more fair than ridiculing them 'you implemented stuff from frogger'. Of course they should, I don't want them to stop doing that, whenever they spot something in other games that might work in PoE I want them to give it a shot.

I agree. In my first post about labyrinth, I said the same thing, IIRC. What I also said though was that such boring tedious content should not have been used to gate the post powerful character buffs in the game. It should have instead been done as optional content.

Sure, as long as you get an equally challenging alternative task to do to get the ascendancy points if not from the Lab. Which then ends up in another of these threads, because it's still not free power.

Why would they waste time and resources developing something new just so the name of this thread can change? It was never meant to be power creep, so moving the points is just moving the problem from Lab to the next thing they're rightfully locked behind.

Talk to me anytime I'm in-game and I'll take you through the Lab for free, no problem, so you don't have to worry about it anymore.

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Xavathos wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

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raics wrote:

You know, all this wouldn't be so amusing if PoE didn't borrow from more games than it doesn't. That's certainly no news and you can't really fault devs for finding inspiration in other games or even genres. The way I see it, saying 'you implemented frogger elements badly, this and this doesn't work well' is a lot more fair than ridiculing them 'you implemented stuff from frogger'. Of course they should, I don't want them to stop doing that, whenever they spot something in other games that might work in PoE I want them to give it a shot.

I agree. In my first post about labyrinth, I said the same thing, IIRC. What I also said though was that such boring tedious content should not have been used to gate the post powerful character buffs in the game. It should have instead been done as optional content.

Sure, as long as you get an equally challenging alternative task to do to get the ascendancy points if not from the Lab. Which then ends up in another of these threads, because it's still not free power.

Why would they waste time and resources developing something new just so the name of this thread can change? It was never meant to be power creep, so moving the points is just moving the problem from Lab to the next thing they're rightfully locked behind.

Talk to me anytime I'm in-game and I'll take you through the Lab for free, no problem, so you don't have to worry about it anymore.

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Turtledove wrote:

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andreicde wrote:

Honestly the whole gating ascendancy behind lab is complete and utter BS. Before someone pulls a ''you also want everything easy peasy'', Lab is nr 1 thing that rips characters in HC because it's not optimized for all builds, it's a mix of both fighting and traps which hinders some builds.

Let's take for example a summoner, and we not talking an srs, but a summoner using spectres, zombies,golem and possibly skeletons. You have close to 13-14 minions moving on the screen even when you stand still everywhere. Lab has the bad habit of including traps which are not always obvious or push you into more traps. Darts for instance are the perfect example with their 70% slow which could be lethal if combined with a saw passing right through you. As a summoner it's a hard choice because on one end without minions traps would be much easier, but then monsters would be the issue. Lab either needs to be traps only and no fighting or fighting and no traps.

The other big issue is the fact layout is randomized, which means some combos will screw you even further. Some layouts are cake, while others make you want to bang your head on a wall. A bs layout I found in a final itzaro room had 3/4 of the map blocked due to fire on 2 sides, 6 darts divided into 3 on each side severely restricting your movement area. Add on the top of that itzaro and 14 minions covering half of the screen. On the other hand an RF build might simply laugh at that thing and deal with this np.

Lab would have been great to give uniques only and better rewards, but not ascendancy points. This just makes it feel mandatory (yes it might not be needed, but then again with that logic it's not needed to go further than Hillock in twilight normal, you could just farm monsters there for days). If they keep adding more content like that, it will just make even more players give up on the game .

Edit: Also this comes from a guy that played guild wars 2 where the same BS happen, where they started adding platformer crap in endgame content. If I want that, I'd play Mario

andreicde, thank you for voicing your opinion that gating ascendancy points behind labyrinth is BS. I've added your name to the list of players that have voiced a similar opinion now at 913 names. As the list gets longer our voice grows stronger. Over 330 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 910 posters in support

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andreicde is not the first player that has pointed out that summoners are at a special disadvantage in the labyrinth due to poor visibility. I mean poor visibility is a common complaint anyway but all the summoned beings running around significantly exasperates the problem.

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andreicde wrote:

Np, as for the summoner situation, someone mention that not all zombies are required, but as I mentioned before, that is subjective too. A streamer could maybe make normal lab at lvl 30 with crap gear, random points and half-watching tv. Does that mean that lab is too easy and should be buffed?

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andreicde wrote:

a game decides to shove it up the players' throat[...]The only ones that I see defending the argument of ''lab is totally fine'' are the ones getting erections from platformer games and the lab runners that are not skilled enough to farm atziri but since they are decent at platformers don't want their piggy bank coins supply lighten.

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Regulator wrote:

Devs call parts of the lab frogger

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Xavathos wrote:

It's like you're comparing a bicycle to an airplane, because they both have wheels. Just because they have similarities doesn't mean they're a clone of each other or that they are meant to do the same things.

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Xavathos wrote:

People have no patience anymore. It's not just in gaming, it's everywhere. Nukes aren't going to end up destroying the human race, disease isn't, instant gratification is. We are literally digging our own graves as we speak by the way we view the world around us as something that can just be abused without consequence. Look at how animals are treated, just because they provide profitable luxury goods. Entire rain forests are destroyed by the demand on high quality wood. Absolutely massive amounts of plastic that does not decay is dumped into the oceans every day, killing multiple thousands of sea dwelling creatures and contaminating the water. Not to mention the effect that we have on the climate, and it's all because we want things and we want them not next week, not tomorrow, but NOW. And who cares about tomorrow, right? We wouldn't be around to deal with it, just like you wouldn't be around to deal with Path of Exile after it's been stupefied like almost every other game nowadays.

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andreicde wrote:

Also it is not an ARPG , learn what the definition of an ARPG is then come back trying to act smart.

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raics wrote:

Now seriously, how come players don't complain we have an FPS mechanic in the game when they introduced Rampage? Maybe because Rampage makes us go faster, not slower. There just might be a pattern there.

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Turtledove wrote:

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Xavathos wrote:

Talk to me anytime I'm in-game and I'll take you through the Lab for free, no problem, so you don't have to worry about it anymore.

That's actually a very kind gesture!Thank you

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Fruz wrote:

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Xavathos wrote:

It's like you're comparing a bicycle to an airplane, because they both have wheels. Just because they have similarities doesn't mean they're a clone of each other or that they are meant to do the same things.

Be careful, he could tell you that E.T. did fly on a bicycle !

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Fruz wrote:

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Regulator wrote:

Devs call parts of the lab frogger

Very good example of you, twisting words to trying to make the dev say what they dodn't.
Very fallacious.
From
"This one is affectionately nicknamed the "Frogger" gauntlet."
to
"Devs call parts of the lab frogger".