SET FREE THE ASCENDANCY POINTS (or rework the lab) [New ascension methods/lab rework ideas]

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Fruz wrote:

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You are free to deny the reality that design bugs are real. The fact remains that GGG has continued to slowly fix the labyrinth with every release, despite your continued position that everything is perfectly fine with labyrinth. GGG will continue to fix the horrible buggy mess that is the labyrinth until it is no longer a blight on PoE. The labyrinth is content that was well below GGG standards when it was released. It has been improved with each past release and will be significantly improved further in 3.0. I believe that it will continue to be improved on in the future. You continue to deny the reality of this situation even though each release shows further improvement.

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Turtledove wrote:

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Fruz wrote:

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You are free to deny the reality that design bugs are real. The fact remains that GGG has continued to slowly fix the labyrinth with every release, despite your continued position that everything is perfectly fine with labyrinth. GGG will continue to fix the horrible buggy mess that is the labyrinth until it is no longer a blight on PoE. The labyrinth is content that was well below GGG standards when it was released. It has been improved with each past release and will be significantly improved further in 3.0. I believe that it will continue to be improved on in the future. You continue to deny the reality of this situation even though each release shows further improvement.

While improving it is a good thing. I still do not want to play a platform game even if its well designed which the lab isn't.

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Zalhan2 wrote:

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People want to ignore stuff and not be killed in an arpg.

People like dieing they just do not want to waste 20 minutes of tedious bullshit every time they die.

Then dont die.

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While improving it is a good thing. I still do not want to play a platform game even if its well designed which the lab isn't.

GGG doesn't care if you want to play it or not, you do it for the points regardless.

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goetzjam wrote:

GGG doesn't care if you want to play it or not

The moment a game developer stops caring whether or not players are having fun, is the start of a dangerous slippery-slope.

Of course they care. Are they willing to spend a lot of resources to make sure EVERYONE are having fun? Clearly not. But I think they DO care, and I think that is part of the reason why they keep changing it.

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goetzjam wrote:

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Zalhan2 wrote:

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People want to ignore stuff and not be killed in an arpg.

People like dieing they just do not want to waste 20 minutes of tedious bullshit every time they die.

Then dont die.

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While improving it is a good thing. I still do not want to play a platform game even if its well designed which the lab isn't.

GGG doesn't care if you want to play it or not, you do it for the points regardless.

Exactly. It's like wanting to have dinner but you don't want to cook. That's fine, but no cooking means no food. Alternative is ordering food for 2c, all you have to do then is wait a bit.

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Phrazz wrote:

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goetzjam wrote:

GGG doesn't care if you want to play it or not

The moment a game developer stops caring whether or not players are having fun, is the start of a dangerous slippery-slope.

Of course they care. Are they willing to spend a lot of resources to make sure EVERYONE are having fun? Clearly not. But I think they DO care, and I think that is part of the reason why they keep changing it.

Or the reason for the changes in 3.0 is clear, GGG wants you to get your AC points around the appropriate level so they can balance the content around you having said points. GGG hadn't had the opportunity, until now to balance the leveling for it. Overall I think its great.

One of the questions (aside from xbox stuff) is does anyone think GGG is going to keep the lab entry the same way it is now in beta. Currently, only one person needs to do trials to open them, including map ones.

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goetzjam wrote:

Or the reason for the changes in 3.0 is clear, GGG wants you to get your AC points around the appropriate level so they can balance the content around you having said points. GGG hadn't had the opportunity, until now to balance the leveling for it. Overall I think its great.

One of the questions (aside from xbox stuff) is does anyone think GGG is going to keep the lab entry the same way it is now in beta. Currently, only one person needs to do trials to open them, including map ones.

If they were so hellbent of doing that, making it a part of the main progression/storyline would be a "better" solution for them.

I'm fairly certain that GGG recognizes the flaws of the lab, and are tweaking it to be a lesser cyst (my definition, not theirs) than it is. The fact that you (and others) can't understand why some people dislike the lab, without bringing up "skills" and "video proof", is almost frightening.

This isn't the last time the lab will change.

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Phrazz wrote:

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goetzjam wrote:

Or the reason for the changes in 3.0 is clear, GGG wants you to get your AC points around the appropriate level so they can balance the content around you having said points. GGG hadn't had the opportunity, until now to balance the leveling for it. Overall I think its great.

One of the questions (aside from xbox stuff) is does anyone think GGG is going to keep the lab entry the same way it is now in beta. Currently, only one person needs to do trials to open them, including map ones.

If they were so hellbent of doing that, making it a part of the main progression/storyline would be a "better" solution for them.

I'm fairly certain that GGG recognizes the flaws of the lab, and are tweaking it to be a lesser cyst (my definition, not theirs) than it is. The fact that you (and others) can't understand why some people dislike the lab, without bringing up "skills" and "video proof", is almost frightening.

This isn't the last time the lab will change.

I mean you have nothing to base your statement that it isn't the last time the lab will change off of.

What they have done so far will quench some of the complains and for the people like turtle that are obsessed and won't stop until the lab\ac points are separated, well GGG likely wrote them off a long time ago, when they decided that they weren't going to cave into the demand that reward should be given out freely or separate of this content\challenge designed to award them.

I think they don't want to force people to do the lab at an exact time and limit the progression through the acts, but it does seem logical to get your AC points before act 5, because that content is quite a step up from act 4, even the later parts. After testing leveling a few characters in beta so far I think my personal sweet spot is once I get to the crystal veins in act 4, so before those 2 zones.

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Zalhan2 wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

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Fruz wrote:

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You are free to deny the reality that design bugs are real. The fact remains that GGG has continued to slowly fix the labyrinth with every release, despite your continued position that everything is perfectly fine with labyrinth. GGG will continue to fix the horrible buggy mess that is the labyrinth until it is no longer a blight on PoE. The labyrinth is content that was well below GGG standards when it was released. It has been improved with each past release and will be significantly improved further in 3.0. I believe that it will continue to be improved on in the future. You continue to deny the reality of this situation even though each release shows further improvement.

While improving it is a good thing. I still do not want to play a platform game even if its well designed which the lab isn't.

I definitely agree that labyrinth is a mediocre implementation of platformer-jump-here-run-there game play. That is mediocre, at best. Although I am having fun playing D3 right now, I will retry PoE when 3.0 comes out. My thought is that if half or two-thirds of the platformer nonsense is gone then it might be palatable. I don't know if it will be better than D3 though, we'll see.

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goetzjam wrote:

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Zalhan2 wrote:

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People want to ignore stuff and not be killed in an arpg.

People like dieing they just do not want to waste 20 minutes of tedious bullshit every time they die.

Then dont die.

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While improving it is a good thing. I still do not want to play a platform game even if its well designed which the lab isn't.

GGG doesn't care if you want to play it or not, you do it for the points regardless.

Nope