SET FREE THE ASCENDANCY POINTS (or rework the lab) [New ascension methods/lab rework ideas]

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The_Reporter wrote:
Why are you quoting me? I didn't type that, your buddy did.

I missquoted, let me fix that.
SSF is not and will never be a standard for balance, it is not for people entitled to getting more without trading.
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Fruz wrote:
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Phrazz wrote:
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Fruz wrote:
And if you are complaining about something that took you less than 10 mins in a video game that you spend tens of hours playing ( so I mean per character here ), that means that this behaviour is similar to one thing mostly :
A kid's tantrum


First of all, stop this childish way of debating. You know as well as me that we're not talking about "less than ten minutes".

Calling something that you have no actual good answers to "childish" I see .... I know that way of trying to derail an argument.
If it is not less than 10 mins, it likely means that there is a difficulty issue (Since you can beat it in 10 mins, if you are good at it).
It takes more time if you don't blow Izaro up, but everyone here seems to agree that Izaro fight isn't one of the complain, so the Izaro part becomes somewhat irrelevant here.


That means that it isn't just "boring".
It means that a player isn't really good at it, but calls it "boring" with the "But I have no problem, it's not difficult !".
Which is a lie then.

Which brings us back to my previous point ( might be easier to understand now ) :
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Fruz wrote:
If it would take you less than 10 mins per lab, you would not care.
But it does not, because maybe you're not as good as you think you are but ... you don't want to face the facts.



The trials outside of maps take like no time, seriously, it's super short and only once per league.
Let's take the prison one, it takes what ... 2 mins max ? And with monsters on the way of course.


People are frustrated because they cannot completely overgear the traps ( even though skill beats those ), so they call it boring, refusing to admit that there is a difficulty issue.
If there is absolutely no difficulty issue, then the labs it takes less than 10 mins ( or let's say 15 if you prefer, the point remains ).
I see people that face an obstacle, and refuse to give anny effort to overcome it.
( and then I am waiting for "but it's a video game !!! it's for fun, why would I do efforts in something that is supposed to be fun ?!!!! It's work !!!" nonsense )

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Xavathos wrote:
Sigh... alright I'll find a shovel when I get home...

You took his bait again ... that's not worth it, honestly.
Some people's bad faith really does seem limitless.


Same stupid lies as usual.

Let's look at some real facts instead of the nonsense being spewed above.

What is the labyrinth ladder say for median times?

Legacy normal 19 minutes 56 seconds
Legacy cruel 19 minutes 18 seconds
Legacy merciles 15 minutes 14 seconds


It is true that labyrinth is not just boring, it is also tedious, frustrating and not fun. Difficulty is not the issue for most of us.
Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support (thread # 1702621) Thank you all! GGG will implement a different method for ascension in PoE2. Retired!
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Fruz wrote:

Calling something that you have no actual good answers to "childish" I see .... I know that way of trying to derail an argument.
If it is not less than 10 mins, it likely means that there is a difficulty issue (Since you can beat it in 10 mins, if you are good at it).


Jesus freakin' Christ... Are you serious?

Show me ONE video - of the BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD - beating every lab content in Path of Exile in under ten minutes. That's 14(?) trials and 4 labs. I already told you that i can beat MERCILESS lab in about 6 minutes. But that is beside the point. I was talking about the whole content being a big part of the game. Not ONE SINGLE branch of the lab themed content.

You DO know that the lab (as a whole content) takes longer than 10 minutes. Yet you keep going on and on and on. Either pay attention to what is being debated, or find somewhere else to be. If you're trolling, congratulation - you hooked me. If not, you are MILES off the point here.

Thanks. I'm done with you.
Sometimes, just sometimes, you should really consider adapting to the world, instead of demanding that the world adapts to you.
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Phrazz wrote:
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Fruz wrote:

Calling something that you have no actual good answers to "childish" I see .... I know that way of trying to derail an argument.
If it is not less than 10 mins, it likely means that there is a difficulty issue (Since you can beat it in 10 mins, if you are good at it).


Jesus freakin' Christ... Are you serious?

Show me ONE video - of the BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD - beating every lab content in Path of Exile in under ten minutes. That's 14(?) trials and 4 labs. I already told you that i can beat MERCILESS lab in about 6 minutes. But that is beside the point. I was talking about the whole content being a big part of the game. Not ONE SINGLE branch of the lab themed content.

You DO know that the lab (as a whole content) takes longer than 10 minutes. Yet you keep going on and on and on. Either pay attention to what is being debated, or find somewhere else to be. If you're trolling, congratulation - you hooked me. If not, you are MILES off the point here.

Thanks. I'm done with you.


Good content is like a fine wine. I don't rush thru, but if I die I am not screwed over. The Lab rewards you to ignore the adds and take some damage from traps and just get it over with to get to the only hard part, the last fight. where you have to fight a decent boss but for some bad design reason you have traps there too.

And why the fuck if you die do I have to start over. I proved I can get thru your retarded traps. Let me fight the damn boss till I get it. If the traps are a death tax, just let me read a book for 20 minutes or something more interesting, than waste my time on easy stupid boring retarded lack of imagination zzzzzzz traps.
Seems like GGG likes to condition their players to play the game exactly how they want them to:

-Hey, we buffed/ added dmg nodes on the tree and nerfed a lot of defensive ones. Btw, here are some absurdly overpowered new skills. (We want you to prioritize offence, go fast, eat pizza and watch tv while playing)

-Hey, we added a new player-damaging mechanic that ignores most defences and applies to others at a weird hidden ratio. Enjoy! (Just go fast prioritize offence and try to ignore that we can't do proper balance lol)

-Hey, we added a new end-game boss. Don't even try to outlast him. It's probably impossible. What? You still didn't get the message? (DAMAGE AND SPEED OVER EVERY OTHER STAT)

-Hey here is a platformer mini game in your favourite arpg game that gives significant character upgrades instead of being something we added just for fun. We are trying out new things. Let us spread our wings! Oh and by the way we are releasing our game on Xbox...
(self-explanatory)

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Edit: Forgot about breaches, but you get how it'd go. Go fast brah, don't stop and think.
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Last edited by Pyrokar#6587 on Jun 21, 2017, 5:57:37 AM
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Zalhan2 wrote:
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Phrazz wrote:
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Fruz wrote:

Calling something that you have no actual good answers to "childish" I see .... I know that way of trying to derail an argument.
If it is not less than 10 mins, it likely means that there is a difficulty issue (Since you can beat it in 10 mins, if you are good at it).


Jesus freakin' Christ... Are you serious?

Show me ONE video - of the BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD - beating every lab content in Path of Exile in under ten minutes. That's 14(?) trials and 4 labs. I already told you that i can beat MERCILESS lab in about 6 minutes. But that is beside the point. I was talking about the whole content being a big part of the game. Not ONE SINGLE branch of the lab themed content.

You DO know that the lab (as a whole content) takes longer than 10 minutes. Yet you keep going on and on and on. Either pay attention to what is being debated, or find somewhere else to be. If you're trolling, congratulation - you hooked me. If not, you are MILES off the point here.

Thanks. I'm done with you.


Good content is like a fine wine. I don't rush thru, but if I die I am not screwed over. The Lab rewards you to ignore the adds and take some damage from traps and just get it over with to get to the only hard part, the last fight. where you have to fight a decent boss but for some bad design reason you have traps there too.

And why the fuck if you die do I have to start over. I proved I can get thru your retarded traps. Let me fight the damn boss till I get it. If the traps are a death tax, just let me read a book for 20 minutes or something more interesting, than waste my time on easy stupid boring retarded lack of imagination zzzzzzz traps.


You contradict yourself once again. You say it's easy and then you say you die and complain about it. So maybe it's not so easy for you after all and that's the issue?

It takes skill, it's fair and it's not a dice roll. I have no problems with traps as they are.

I mean I don't like saying something similar to "git gud" but sometimes that's actually correct...
Carry on my waypoint son, there'll be peace when maps are done.
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'Cause it's a bitter sweet symphony this league.
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Last edited by Xavathos#5130 on Jun 21, 2017, 3:39:05 AM
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Xavathos wrote:
it's fair


Is it now? Is it just as "fair" for full out evasion builds as for a health regeneration, EC-stacking builds? What about CI builds, depending on auras for defense? What about hybrid builds, depending on MoM? What about builds depending on block/spell block? Dodge?

"Fair" is a God damn stretch...

I don't know about you, but a lot of guys in here are debating from a "I got a special designed maze runner" perspective, while a lot of other people are debating from a "I'm in here to get my Ascendancy points on my mapping character" perspective.

Is it doable? Sure. Easy? Maybe. But fair? Come on...?
Sometimes, just sometimes, you should really consider adapting to the world, instead of demanding that the world adapts to you.
Last edited by Phrazz#3529 on Jun 21, 2017, 4:28:19 AM
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gibbousmoon wrote:
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raics wrote:
Of course, the complaint needs to have at least something to do with skill or knowledge, obviously enough, you won't see 'git good' on a 'give us back the globe girls' thread.

Why did you suddenly assume I wasn't talking specifically about the Labyrinth?

What's the difference? If the complaint is about something that has nothing to do with skill and you see 'git good' it's just someone's idea of a joke, it isn't even trolling if it makes zero sense.

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Phrazz wrote:
Is it now? Is it just as "fair" for full out evasion builds as for a health regeneration, EC-stacking builds? What about CI builds, depending on auras for defense? What about hybrid builds, depending on MoM? What about builds depending on block/spell block? Dodge?

I'd agree this was an issue if some build type wasn't able to complete the lab even if you know fairly well what you're doing, but I've never seen a decent one that can't do it. It's a factor if you're building a lab farmer, sure, but that's something else, it's a specialized piece of content which means you want an optimized build to run it comfortably, just like you do for Atziri or Shaper.
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Last edited by raics#7540 on Jun 21, 2017, 4:45:54 AM
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Turtledove wrote:
Same stupid lies as usual.

Let's look at some real facts instead of the nonsense being spewed above.

What is the labyrinth ladder say for median times?

Legacy normal 19 minutes 56 seconds
Legacy cruel 19 minutes 18 seconds
Legacy merciles 15 minutes 14 seconds


So because you don't understand something, => lies ?
Flawless logic here.

Let me just copy paste something that you just quoted without understanding at all, maybe putting some emphasis on it will make you open our eyes, even for a little bit ?

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Fruz wrote:
If it would take you less than 10 mins per lab, you would not care.
But it does not, because maybe you're not as good as you think you are but ... you don't want to face the facts.

The median is completely irrelevant there.


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Phrazz wrote:
Show me ONE video - of the BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD - beating every lab content in Path of Exile in under ten minutes.

I'm sorry, are st..... serious ?

Let's quote it one more time, because people's reading skills here is sometimes mind blowing.


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Fruz wrote:
If it would take you less than 10 mins per lab, you would not care.
But it does not, because maybe you're not as good as you think you are but ... you don't want to face the facts.

AMAZING !
A sentence is composed of a certain number or words, which all have a meaning !
I know, very touch concept, although one would expect people in an internet forum to know it.

SSF is not and will never be a standard for balance, it is not for people entitled to getting more without trading.
Last edited by Fruz#6137 on Jun 21, 2017, 5:21:57 AM
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Fruz wrote:

AMAZING !
A sentence is composed of a certain number or words, which all have a meaning !
I know, very touch concept, although one would expect people in an internet forum to know it.



It baffles me. Here I've been argumenting that the lab (as a whole) IS time consuming, and you have been countering this whole time, referring to ONE lab? Ok. That IS amazing. I keep bringing up the lab as a concept, and you have been talking about these ten minutes. How long ONE lab takes - for an experienced player - is close to irrelevant. How long the entire lab-content takes - for the average player, is.

Let's get this straight, so that we can move on. I view ALL lab content, 14(?) trials and 4 labs as a BIG part of the game. You refer to it as a small part. Agree to disagree. I view ALL lab content to be boring, tedious and too time consuming. You say otherwise, because you can do ONE lab in under ten minutes.

The other ones in here seems like they're able to discuss with. We are just on two complete different planets.
Sometimes, just sometimes, you should really consider adapting to the world, instead of demanding that the world adapts to you.
Last edited by Phrazz#3529 on Jun 21, 2017, 5:47:04 AM

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