SET FREE THE ASCENDANCY POINTS (or rework the lab) [New ascension methods/lab rework ideas]

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e1337donkey wrote:

This is why SSF doesn't work out that well.

Mind you, tedious crap that has no business happening to an honest man is exactly what keeps the economy spinning. Things you can count on cost 1 alch, assuming someone wants them at all.

You can't really have both, that's why I feel nothing about SSF league, as long as it's connected to the parent league it will remain its diet version instead of a full single player experience.

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raics wrote:

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e1337donkey wrote:

This is why SSF doesn't work out that well.

Mind you, tedious crap that has no business happening to an honest man is exactly what keeps the economy spinning. Things you can count on cost 1 alch, assuming someone wants them at all.

You can't really have both, that's why I feel nothing about SSF league, as long as it's connected to the parent league it will remain its diet version instead of a full single player experience.

GGG did not create this game in mind of a solo experience though, which ironically is pretty funny now given we have the ability to play in a SSF fashion.

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goetzjam wrote:

GGG did not create this game in mind of a solo experience though, which ironically is pretty funny now given we have the ability to play in a SSF fashion.

Sure, for solo monster slaying, which is one of the reasons we got this neutered SSF, I imagine. If we're being realistic, I can't see many players in parties because killing monsters with your buddies is so much fun. The experience itself is ass, it's just that parties and trading are beneficial to beating the game (outfitting your toon to the max). So, if they introduced a game mode that can do it in a reasonable time span without bothering with the whole online interaction thingy it would be a mass exodus.

What they got here is that snake that bites itself in the ass. They can't have good drop rates because trading wouldn't exist, they can't have efficient trading system because they would have to tune drops so low that playing SSF would become unfeasible and they can't have separate SSF you can fully play without trading because too many people would play it and the whole online multiplayer thing becomes a joke.

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raics wrote:

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goetzjam wrote:

GGG did not create this game in mind of a solo experience though, which ironically is pretty funny now given we have the ability to play in a SSF fashion.

Sure, for solo monster slaying, which is one of the reasons we got this neutered SSF, I imagine. If we're being realistic, I can't see many players in parties because killing monsters with your buddies is so much fun. The experience itself is ass, it's just that parties and trading are beneficial to beating the game (outfitting your toon to the max). So, if they introduced a game mode that can do it in a reasonable time span without bothering with the whole online interaction thingy it would be a mass exodus.

What they got here is that snake that bites itself in the ass. They can't have good drop rates because trading wouldn't exist, they can't have efficient trading system because they would have to tune drops so low that playing SSF would become unfeasible and they can't have separate SSF you can fully play without trading because too many people would play it and the whole online multiplayer thing becomes a joke.

Hit the nail on the head I think. Although, I think this game still needs adjustments to make a few things a bit more rare then they are, because part of the idea of ARPG is grinding and without a significant enough grind, well it becomes hard to actually want to play the game, especially if the meta ins't changed up all that often.


I never thought SSF was going to be added, however with the way it is added it is logical. Increased drop rates in SSF would take people away from playing the main game they want people to enjoy, hurting mtx sales, hurting the commodore of being able to play with friends and overall hurting the game.

The question was asked on one of the q\a's about making poe be offline before they stop supporting it, whenever that might be. They said they don't think that will ever happen, because server cost are cheap enough they could run the servers on fumes for a while, even if they were working on another project. To me this indicates that GGG doesn't really want to consider the idea of people playing the game in a solo fashion or having direct access to the game, even if they stop supporting it.


Custom leagues could be a way to circumvent the system we see now, but custom leagues would need a lot of boundaries on whats possible, they would also need likely a specific member at GGG to spearhead the discussion and figure out enough information on what would be possible and what they are ok with. I personally think for anyone that wants an adjusted game, that custom leagues are really the only option left for those sorts of players to purse, I wonder if we can create a custom league where the AC points are just given for completing malcahai and then seeing how many people pay to not deal with the lab ^_^

Maybe get some people to put some money where their mouth is :D

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goetzjam wrote:

Custom leagues could be a way to circumvent the system we see now, but custom leagues would need a lot of boundaries on whats possible, they would also need likely a specific member at GGG to spearhead the discussion and figure out enough information on what would be possible and what they are ok with.

I wondered about that one too, if it's just something like picking league mods, applying global area bonuses or whatever I'd say no thank you. And I can see that giving access to fully tuning passive tree, skills, drop and item affix rates and whatnot could be a problem in many ways. For one it would mean giving away information we currently have no access to, it would require developing special tools for dungeon masters and there's also the problem of future updates to the game, some tweaks might not play well with changes on main realm, I can see bugs galore.

Updated OP with suggestion number XV in the Alternative Ascension Methods spoiler. We are now at 22 unique suggestions with endless possibilities if we mix em up. Keep up the good work gentlemen.

Just hoping they do SOMETHING with 3.0 to address this. There has been plenty of continuing support for changes to be made here.

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Regulator wrote:

Updated OP with suggestion number XV in the Alternative Ascension Methods spoiler. We are now at 22 unique suggestions with endless possibilities if we mix em up. Keep up the good work gentlemen.

Is one to just roll back the game to when it was more fun?

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Zalhan2 wrote:

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Regulator wrote:

Updated OP with suggestion number XV in the Alternative Ascension Methods spoiler. We are now at 22 unique suggestions with endless possibilities if we mix em up. Keep up the good work gentlemen.

Is one to just roll back the game to when it was more fun?

Doubt it.

I hope the 3.0 support pack is a Labyrinth one, so I can support keeping Lab as it is by just having a forum badge. Labyrinth footprints that leave "Lab is life" briefly on the ground. Labyrinth weapon effect that glows when Izaro is near. Labyrinth armour set, carefully handcrafted from a selection of traps.

Oh yes.