SET FREE THE ASCENDANCY POINTS (or rework the lab) [New ascension methods/lab rework ideas]

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Regulator wrote:

- The Prison had some of the earliest gauntlets we designed. This one is affectionately nicknamed the "Frogger" gauntlet.
- Very Different from our usual content
- Traps deal percentage damage so that is equal for ALL
- We expect movement skill but can not require players to use them
- Normal PoE combat only sometimes plays well with traps, we insulate monsters a bit from trap zones
- The Labyrinth isn't universally beloved content and there are things we'd do differently knowing what we know now

You got some splanin to do.


Even if they called it Frogger, although you don't really explain how you are interpreting this. What does that mean? To me if you told me something was like a "frogger" gauntlet I think it would be a series of traps that have a pattern you can follow.

The boss fight is for sure very different then the usual content, but are traps really that far different then other forms of aoe damage you are suppose to avoid? I guess they actually do damage and can and will kill you if you play poorly. Guess this is what you mean about so different.


The % damage is not only so its an equal damage threat to all, but so that its always a consideration when planning to overcome the challenge. Even with it being a % based, there are still things you can do as a player to mitigate it.


Correct movement skills are optional, but if your going into a challenge that showcases how using a blink arrow, WB, flame dash, leap slam, ect is beneficial to the run, why wouldn't you use the resources available to you.


In terms of what would they do differently, maybe that is the line you can cling onto in hopes of getting a change, however, I've been asking for the last year when will the crusade stop. @regulator you seem to have stopped for the most part only posting when necessary or relevant information is necessary, that I can respect, but others in your cause plaster the forums with spam circle jerking anyone that slightly agrees with anything you say or says anything constructive about the lab.

We don't know what GGG would change going back, if they ever go back. Would they remove some of the rewards from the end of the lab and better scatter them in the lab. Would they implement a system that helps against DCs, but would require a snap shot instance of where your character was, what sort of consequence would that have on people that are actually using a logout macro. What about things like making the trials account bound, instead of character bound, that is an example of a change they already did to address something of a concern.

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Regulator wrote:

from the lab presentation some time ago :

Their presentations are... cute.

Maybe it's just me getting too used to the whole thing but it isn't really flipping that switch into mode B. You run around, kill some monsters, kill a boss with environmental mechanics and watch your step. Izzy isn't the only boss with environmental mechanics anymore so it's just the watch your step part that's different.

The way I can usually tell if something is significantly different is if playing the normal game after farming the minigame for a while feels a bit strange.

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The_Reporter wrote:

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goetzjam wrote:

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j33bus wrote:

That honestly is an option right now. If you get over the urge to keep up with the Jones' you can just not do that lab and it's that same game basically.

Naw brah its not because everyone else got the cool AC points and I just want the massive power creep for free, I don't want to have to do anything different then what I already gotta do, games hard enough as it is and I play for fun and I can't possibly do it in under 30 min, because im a special snowflake and I gotta explore ever nook and cranny of the lab, despite the information being available for me to do it faster, you know because I enjoy it so much, see thats why i spend all the time I possibly can in the lab, lets not forget about my shit internet and how GGG needs to fix their servers, i mean clearly when I'm the only one that disconnects on my friends list, you know it must be GGG's servers. Plus the traps just 1 shot you man, I mean they do a portion of your life per second, so I think its a 1 shot when I run with the traps that move as well, I mean why would I do anything but just run with the traps, lets not forget the "1 shot", despite not being able to provide any proof that its possible, I guess if i dont have anti bleed and I get hit by a bleed trap and run around thats considered a 1 shot. Plus the boss is hard, unless im the other half of the people that dislike the lab and but think the boss is easy, well plus the lab is both easy\boring tedious and i get one shot and\or die to traps.

I've got a list of 25+ ideas of how to improve the lab but 0 ideas on how to improve as a player and adjust to the lab.


Sums up my thoughts on this thread, what about you guys?

Sounds like you have an awful lot of problems. I wish you all the best in your recovery, broski.

You realize a blind man could do lab in POE it's free, it just costs marginal cost of mats. The only people complaining are those who actually want to play the game. You get that right? Most of us also are asking they at least make the lab solo self found and non groupable so others understand our pain.

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goetzjam wrote:

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ShaUrley wrote:

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e1337donkey wrote:

Just wait and see how the xbox community will react to this.

Complaints about the lab from PC ARPG players aren't going to go away. But, never having used a console myself, I am curious to see how the Xbox players react. Will it be standard fare for them, or are a lot of them going to dislike the lab as much as many PC players?

Does it matter if they like it or not? They have a separate realm, GGG can give them traps that do less damage or the AC points elsewhere, no need to act like the console version won't be different in various ways.

It's more of a curiosity in that you already have people playing the PC version that have mixed feelings on the lab. Adding a new community of players whom may (or may not) start talking about lab. Can't look that great then.

Might be even worse if they start having two different poe games running at the same time. If they have to change the lab, where does it stop then. Then people have to decide which path of exile they want to play. That's kind of weird.

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e1337donkey wrote:

It's more of a curiosity in that you already have people playing the PC version that have mixed feelings on the lab. Adding a new community of players whom may (or may not) start talking about lab. Can't look that great then.

Might be even worse if they start having two different poe games running at the same time. If they have to change the lab, where does it stop then. Then people have to decide which path of exile they want to play. That's kind of weird.

I was thinking more subtle stuff like the traps doing less damage to account for less accurate movement for example.

In terms of players from another venture not liking an aspect of the game, again its the game GGG is putting forward, many people are forgetting what they set out to do, which is create a game they wanted to play that stays true to the spirit of D2. We are just along for the ride.

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You realize a blind man could do lab in POE it's free, it just costs marginal cost of mats. The only people complaining are those who actually want to play the game. You get that right? Most of us also are asking they at least make the lab solo self found and non groupable so others understand our pain.

Nothing in the game requires you play solo, so as put in your own words so to speak "why would they add something so different from the rest of the game"

Its never going to happen and a post like this is a net gain of nothing, GGG won't change it, it doesn't prompt and new or developing ideas, it just leads to further shitpost of how people are so bad they need a carry to begin with or that they are too stupid to require one. Do it yourself if you want, GGG balanced the lab for that, but just like you know the rest of the content in an ONLINE ARPG its going to be possible to play it in a party setting.

Unless you live with a developer or are dating one I doubt you know for a fact what they will do next or will not change. I do agree with you someone has a hardon for the Lab considering how much money it has cost them.

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Regulator wrote:

lol, i pooped turds with more personality, gravitas and arguments than the likes of you

You mean throwing some nonsense, insulting people and then leave before the answers and the refutal come ?
Of course you mean that.

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Zalhan2 wrote:

Unless you live with a developer or are dating one I doubt you know for a fact what they will do next or will not change.

You're absolutely right, we need a mole, anyone volunteering for the job?

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Fruz wrote:

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Regulator wrote:

lol, i pooped turds with more personality, gravitas and arguments than the likes of you

You mean throwing some nonsense, insulting people and then leave before the answers and the refutal come ?
Of course you mean that.

The statement may not be overly kind but it has truth and humor going for it. What it really means though is that Regulator should add diablofdb to his don't-bother-to-read-list.