SET FREE THE ASCENDANCY POINTS (or rework the lab) [New ascension methods/lab rework ideas]

So how would everyone feel if they decided to move alternate ascendancy points to unlocked by PvP and the Leo master guy?

It seems like the sort of move GGG would make :)

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SudianX wrote:

So how would everyone feel if they decided to move alternate ascendancy points to unlocked by PvP and the Leo master guy?

I wouldn't mind it too much myself but they would have to be utterly dense to lock it away behind abandonware content and I'd be the first one to say so, regardless of how I personally feel about it.

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Emphasy wrote:

And the other thing is, someone used the word "focus", how does the lab has a focus on traps. It doesn't. It has traps, that isn't deniable but you spend as much time fighting enemies than passing traps and once you know all the layouts you spend a lot less time on traps than on anything else in the lab.

It would probably be a different story if killing mooks wasn't absolutely trivial, I wouldn't be surprised if deaths by normal monsters turned out to be under 1% of all lab deaths. Uber trials are more focused on traps, though, monsters are there just to refill your pots, which I actually like, lab should probably be like that too.

Oh boy, here we go again :

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Regulator wrote:

Amongst those points they also decided to put some pictures in it, one of their choices was Prince of Persia (yes the original game i also mention in the opening post in one of the spoilers) plus from the Super Metroid another (absolutely amazing) arcade 90's game.

So first things first, now the rest of you lot (yes you) can understand what we mean by DIFFERENT gameplay inspired and in some cases copy pasted from ARCADE games with run&jump mechanics only. They literally are paying tribute to 80 and 90 arcade games.

The idea of everyone is the same regarding the damage that takes from traps is arcade in nature too. Your choices in defences DONT MATTER in an ARPG? Since when? Thats ok though since the lab isnt an ARPG is it? Its a game inside another game.

They got inspired by other games, no shit sherlock ?!? I'm stunned, we all are here.
The note says :

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We often looked at other games when designing the labyrinth

There is ony gaunglet ( one ) affectionally nicknamed the "frogger gauntlet", fair enough.


Defenses do matter to a certain extent against traps.
Spikes => armour
Darts => evade, block, dodge
For the rest => movespeed ( best defensive stat in the game, literally ) and regeneration do matter.
The flasks are also an important defensive ( but not only ) element of the game, and it matters a lot regarding traps.

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Regulator wrote:

Without movement skills some gauntles are literally IMPOSSIBLE to pass without getting hit. Not very bright design.

Honestly not sure there, trying to not get hit at all is a bit counterproductive as it takes too much time often, but Idont remember situations where you cannot avoid damage if you want to ( apart from real melees in uber lab maybe, in some cases, not all).

PS : And they said that traps "punctuate" the labyrinth by the way, they only "punctuate".

Let me show it in bold so that you can actually see it :

The traps punctuate the labyrinth.

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Regulator wrote:

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NO
Stop there, you are not the community or anything, you do not represent the PoE players.
Your "we" or "us" has no value.


And for the next post, comparing Lab and Pacman is soo ridiculous it's pathetic seriously, it shows how much bad faith you have there, as much as the "copy pasted" you used.
You are sooo mad lol it's crazy, you should chill out for a bit maybe ....
There is no "disrespect" here ( we could eventually see your own disrespect toward GGG I guess), you don't know how to use that word it seems.

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One of the lines in the notes of the presentation is pure BS :

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No puzzle takes more than one screen so you always know where you're going.

GGG, it would have been amazing if you would have followed this rule, but you really have not.
Not seeing where to go is one of the thing that probably pisses many players in the lab, I don't like it either, and there are such cases.

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SudianX wrote:

So how would everyone feel if they decided to move alternate ascendancy points to unlocked by PvP and the Leo master guy?

It seems like the sort of move GGG would make :)

Nop, it is definitely not the sort of move that GGG would make.

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Regulator wrote:

Todays announcement really pissed off the white knights who all that time were saying lab is the same as core poe and other bullshit like that and those complaints werent solid cause were totally made up.

Really? Where did you see that? Surely not in the announcement thread, all I see there are you and your ilk getting triggered by the contents of the thread. :)

I just came back to POE from the beta. Found a lot of amazing content but.. labyrinth.
As I see across this forums, youtube comments and reddit, 95% of people hate, it's not fun, its tedious. But 5% 'loudmouths omg rofltnoobs its so easy for me' people will always defend it. Sight.

The only real question I see concerning this topic :
Can the developer step on his pride and acknowledge that putting a part of the main game, subclasses, behind something that should be optional, labyrinth, was an error.

As we can see in the xbox trailer at 1:27 : choose from 3 classes, each with 3 subclasses.
Nice, a rpg with subclasses. Pretty simple stuff. People will probably go online see what options are available. Probably thinking you choose it at the start or with some cool class-related quest.

Then at 2:01 : Conquer the endgame. Nice, when I want, on my own terms I can do some challenging content that might differ from the main game, like in others games.

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Slouper wrote:

Nice, a rpg with subclasses. Pretty simple stuff. People will probably go online see what options are available. Probably thinking you choose it at the start or with some cool class-related quest.

Mind you - the usual affair in f2p online games when it comes to subclasses is this: do some EXTREMELY boring long-ass fetch-kill-farm quest or bypass entirely with a cash shop purchase. Most online gaming veterans would be pleasantly surprised.

If you just came back and started with the lab - yes, you will need some practice. Got a video of one of my first runs and I can tell you they go much, much smoother after taking a goodly number of characters through it.

raics,

I don't see bad f2p models as a good FOR argument.
As in 2017 some f2p are now amongst the top played games of all time, LoL, Dota2, TF2.
Kinda rpg Warframe near top 10 on steam also.

But it'S true it's not as bad with couples runs I give you that.

lol...the devs take the time to give us an in depth look at the behind the scenes of the lab and make specific mention that each puzzle is built and tested to make sure they can be completed simply by running.

And people still complain.

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Slouper wrote:

raics,

I don't see bad f2p models as a good FOR argument.
As in 2017 some f2p are now amongst the top played games of all time, LoL, Dota2, TF2.
Kinda rpg Warframe near top 10 on steam also.

But it'S true it's not as bad with couples runs I give you that.

Right, my point is that class advancement is usually implemented in a boring and lazy manner, I can't actually think of a recent game that does it in a particularly interesting way. GGG at least tried to give us something memorable here and I don't think anyone can deny they've put in the uncommon amount of effort.