SET FREE THE ASCENDANCY POINTS (or rework the lab) [New ascension methods/lab rework ideas]

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Turtledove wrote:

So, the sum is 11 and I don't play anymore. Hey it worked!

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Regulator wrote:

So today's announcement was pretty interesting. Dan and Josiah's take on labyrinth and what worked/didnt while they were making it.

The presentation amongst other things mentions :

- The Prison had some of the earliest gauntlets we designed. This one is affectionately nicknamed the "Frogger" gauntlet. (deleted shortly after)

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raics wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

So, the sum is 11 and I don't play anymore. Hey it worked!

Of course it did, my tables are good as gold :)

If they don't do something about deteriorating game balance my theorycrafting score might go down and monster bashing drop even further, dunno if I'd keep playing then. To give credit where it's due, the cutoff threshold for PoE might be 10 instead of 12 because there's no real alternative out there.

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raics wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

So, the sum is 11 and I don't play anymore. Hey it worked!

Of course it did, my tables are good as gold :)

If they don't do something about deteriorating game balance my theorycrafting score might go down and monster bashing drop even further, dunno if I'd keep playing then. To give credit where it's due, the cutoff threshold for PoE might be 10 instead of 12 because there's no real alternative out there.

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Its just less fun because of the Lab and other content that feels so different than Diablo2 it makes me sad.

At its best this game took diablo2 and EVOLVED it into a much more evolved game with amazing depth and amazing gear synergies worth grinding for a month to play. The SKill system also had amazing depth.

Through all that it still felt like diablo2 but much bettter.

Now it feels like something else less fun, but still easier than when it was fun.

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To give credit where it's due, the cutoff threshold for PoE might be 10 instead of 12 because there's no real alternative out there.

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I remember a couple of years ago that you promised to quit PoE forever if they ever introduced SFL. Why don't you make good on that promise?

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Emphasy wrote:

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Its just less fun because of the Lab and other content that feels so different than Diablo2 it makes me sad.

At its best this game took diablo2 and EVOLVED it into a much more evolved game with amazing depth and amazing gear synergies worth grinding for a month to play. The SKill system also had amazing depth.

Through all that it still felt like diablo2 but much bettter.

Now it feels like something else less fun, but still easier than when it was fun.

Actually, the major reason why D2 felt so incredible good was not because it was in itself so good but because it wanted to be different from D1 and because it had little to no competition. Before Diablo I and more so Diablo II RPGs on PCs had to be focussed on developing your character and they had little to no pacing. Diablo essentially combined Action Adventures with RPGs. And those Action adventures themself oriented from old arcade games. If they would have had the technology to make Zelda in the early 80s they would have done so because it was a natural development. But arcades had to be short, because you couldn't make a game that lasts a few hours to play through and the Atari lacked the technology to do anything so Action Adventures developed during NES and were exspecially prominent on SNES (exspecially due to the success of Zelda).

Something people often forget is that ARPG is such a wide spectrum, much as action adventures were. Skyrim and Darksouls are ARPGs, with a different perspective.

So the only issue Path of Exile had that in difference to Diablo II it didn't include traps from the get go and I'm pretty sure with the issues on desync it would have been a bad idea to do that. Of course Diablo II traps were mostly meaningless, but Skyrim actually has very nice traps that actually are deadly and it is fun to lure enemies into them. Personally when I play an ARPG I expect traps, Action Adventures had them, a lot of ARPGs have them so why shouldn't Path of Exile have some.

And the other thing is, someone used the word "focus", how does the lab has a focus on traps. It doesn't. It has traps, that isn't deniable but you spend as much time fighting enemies than passing traps and once you know all the layouts you spend a lot less time on traps than on anything else in the lab.

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To give credit where it's due, the cutoff threshold for PoE might be 10 instead of 12 because there's no real alternative out there.

That is a thing top down ARPGs had going for them for a long time. Most ARPGs today like Darksouls or Skyrim go for 3rd or 1st person perspectives. So if you want a top down ARPG you have little options, exspecially since D3 turned more into an Action Adventure and removed many of the RPG elements. Grim Dawn is really good, but it isn't as long lasting, it doesn't provide so many things to do and endgame is essentially running around searching for nemesis spawns.

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I remember a couple of years ago that you promised to quit PoE forever if they ever introduced SFL. Why don't you make good on that promise?

Because they didn't. All they did is make it possible to play SSF in the current leagues, basically what people are already doing, allowing them to actually proof that they did it.