SET FREE THE ASCENDANCY POINTS (or rework the lab) [New ascension methods/lab rework ideas]

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morbo wrote:

If a few screens "full of traps" (drama intensifies) ruin everything else this game has to offer, then you probably weren't having much fun before, Lab or no Lab.

I always hated the trade-centric design that permeates everything in PoE, not just one side zone. Still, the game has many other good aspects, that help to overcome some shitty design.

GLHF finding a better arpg right now... (GD comes close, but PoE still leads, imo)

PoE was my favorite game of all time prior to Labyrinth. I would have dropped PoE immediately if the Labyrinth had been implemented when I first played it. Now I feel like I have so much invested in the game and it was so much fun for so many years that I hope that it eventually gets fixed. PoE no longer monopolizes my gaming time. I play it off and on, maybe 50% now but, going down.

To me, it is all about the gameplay. Killing monsters and getting loot is the fun game. Dodging screens full of traps is boring, irritating and tedious. It is the same for other people as well since, there have been many that have complained and no longer play. Percentages are, of course, unclear probably even to GGG since many people that don't like labyrinth play it just for the points. The reason it is a false comparison, at least to me, when people try to compare things they dislike about the game like trading or act 4 is that those do not involve bad gameplay. The general rule when I evaluate a game is that the gameplay has to be fun above all else. If it is not then the game is not playable.

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Turtledove wrote:

To me, it is all about the gameplay. Killing monsters and getting loot is the fun game. Dodging screens full of traps is boring, irritating and tedious.

I have the same opinion about trading - it's boring, irritating and tedious (ok, now it's a tad less tedious). If you don't play PoE 24/7, but you want to experience endgame in its fullest, you have to at least trade for orbs - because endgame is designed as a high variance RNG currency sink.

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Turtledove wrote:

The reason it is a false comparison, at least to me, when people try to compare things they dislike about the game like trading or act 4 is that those do not involve bad gameplay.

It's not a false comaprision at all. Trade is integral to the game and hanging on trade chat / browsing google, is one of the worst gaming experiences ever, imo. You say Prince of Persia, I say Tycoon Simulator Inc.

My point is: the vast majority of players deslike at least some things in PoE, but they still swallow the bad pills, so that they can enjoy the good stuff. Just because ther are some traps that "cover a whole screen", it deosn't mean that 99.99% of the game isn't hack & slash anymore.

Your wrong,
I even watched quite a few top 10 streamers rant about how LAB sucks this weekend. If professional POE people tolerate it you can imagine how the rest of us feel.

I tried to capture Mathil's rant about how it sucks but I was too slow.

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Zalhan2 wrote:

Your wrong,
I even watched quite a few top 10 streamers rant about how LAB sucks this weekend. If professional POE people tolerate it you can imagine how the rest of us feel.

You just proved his point, gj.

So you probably meant "you are right".


But anyway the pro players are different from the other "normal" players in many ways.

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Fruz wrote:

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Zalhan2 wrote:

Your wrong,
I even watched quite a few top 10 streamers rant about how LAB sucks this weekend. If professional POE people tolerate it you can imagine how the rest of us feel.

You just proved his point, gj.

So you probably meant "you are right".


But anyway the pro players are different from the other "normal" players in many ways.

True they are better since its their job.

It's not a matter of being just better or not, if a matter of what one tries to do with the game.

Lab is meh. I don't agree with ascendency classes being kept behind it. It's fine for treasure hunting chests at the end and crafting. But the subclasses is dumb to have there.

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Fruz wrote:

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Zalhan2 wrote:

Your wrong,
I even watched quite a few top 10 streamers rant about how LAB sucks this weekend. If professional POE people tolerate it you can imagine how the rest of us feel.

You just proved his point, gj.

So you probably meant "you are right".


But anyway the pro players are different from the other "normal" players in many ways.

We are discussing personal views here. What that means is that both views are correct. We're not trying to convince you that labyrinth is boring to you. We accept that you like it. Please show some respect and accept the fact that we can have valid opinions as well. (I'm not directing this at Fruz specifically but to the dung beetles in general that can't seem to accept the concept that not everyone loves eating poop just because they love eating poop.)

It's not really relevant to what I was saying :

Morbo says : we all have things that we dislike, but we still keep playing because its worth doing to be able to do the things that we like in the game.

And the answer I see is :
You are wrong, many streamer said "lab suck" last week end but still tolerate it ....

Well that's essentially "you are wrong" + a very good example that he is right, at least for some.

That's all.

Well then, I'll have to say that dung beetles love eating poop. So from that perspective, saying that we shouldn't complain about having to eat a small amount of poop to get to the good meal. Is still not respecting the opinion of beetles that don't like eating poop. If dung beetles have to eat a little bit of decomposed leaves and don't like it but don't complain. It doesn't mean that we have to eat a little bit of poop without complaint. Especially when we didn't used to have to eat any poop at all. Make our meals great again, don't make us eat poop if we don't want to.

edit: again, I'm not directing this at any individual. It's just a statement in general.