SET FREE THE ASCENDANCY POINTS (or rework the lab) [New ascension methods/lab rework ideas]

Yea, the lab is really not a good design for a game like PoE. Really hope that GGG will implement a alternative way of getting this points in future.

I played in the 48h flashback ssf race,
not that I'm a top racer but I enjoy it.
this quote from the anouncement of the race is relevant to this thread I think;
"If you choose not to pick an Ascendancy class you won't be eligible for winning Demigods but.."

so, this is a race for levels but wait..
if you don't do certain content you are punished, not just punished you are excluded from the top reward!

GGG already locked character progression behind lab, next thing they can do is locking some other keystones (like MoM or CI or BM) in the tree behind some other content.
that is some level of BS I can't wrap my head around.

logical, reasonable arguments are not heard by GGG and they get responses like "it's optional" or "get good" or "I like lab" or some other nonsense, both here and in-game.
what the heck dude, can't you read?

here is my current argument: lab is cancer!

edit: died at lvl83 as shadow in the 48h flashback ssf race.
selçuk

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selcuk wrote:

"If you choose not to pick an Ascendancy class you won't be eligible for winning Demigods but.."

Well, demigod is for the top classes ... and it's kinda understandable that GGG does not want to creates cases were some people would not ascend where they would have liked to, just to try winning a demigod => self gimping to get demigod.
The point of the race is to aim for as high as you can, ascendancy classes are part of it.

PS : The game balance has started to be done around ascendancy skills, not taking them is just self-gimp.

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The_Reporter wrote:

Ascendancy points are now confirmed as mandatory by a protected forum user.

There you have it folks.

Chris said that they were not optional during a podcast, which one ... don't remember.

"protected forum user" /rofl

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Chris said that they were not optional during a podcast, which one ... don't remember.

I'm quoting you but what I will say is not specifically directed to you.

You guys had to wait Chris saying it to understand/admit it is not optional ?
Stop reciting Chris' words like mantras and start thinking by yourself, discussion is not possible by acting like this.

I hate lab and i hate that that pos killed big part of HC population that moved to SC and SC temp leagues or just quit the game. Many of my friends did, and numbers i saw recently says that. I also hate that i like PoE a lot since there are no games out there that i like as PoE so i can't quit because of lab.

When they added pokemons or whatever they called them in WoW, which i played for 10 years, i didn't care that i dont like them and find them retarded addition to the game since i could just forget about them. But fuck me i need those fucking ascendancy points in god damn lab.

And just to be clear i did lab on like 4-5 chars on HC and never died, but that shit is biggest fail content addition in history of gaming.

P.S. I don't want to offend the guy, but since day 1 i thought lab was Charan idea....did anyone else have that feeling too?

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The_Reporter wrote:

You should /rofl man. It must feel good to enjoy that ToU breaking freedom :)

And yes. Chris has agreed that the ascendancy points are mandatory. Good to see you finally agree that it's true. You're making slow progress!

Nice fantasy you got there.
I guess it's easier to live in fantasy that to start thinking by oneself ( Yes, supporters get moderated, obviously, and some supporters chose to hide their title btw, I had mine hidden for more time than they have been displayed ).

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sucemab wrote:

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Chris said that they were not optional during a podcast, which one ... don't remember.

I'm quoting you but what I will say is not specifically directed to you.

You guys had to wait Chris saying it to understand/admit it is not optional ?
Stop reciting Chris' words like mantras and start thinking by yourself, discussion is not possible by acting like this.

I would surely say it even without that past 2.4, because the balance will be heavily including the ascendancy.

With the balance as it was ( so mostly ignoring ascendancy ), it did not change much from when the lab did not exist, and thus ascendancy points were like huge bonuses, so that was debatable yeah.
What did change balance wise post lab, apart from the lightning skelly buff ?
Not much I believe.

For ladder purposes however, one definitely needs the ascendancy points to be competitive, no doubt about that.

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Prebornfetus wrote:

After stumbling into Grim Dawn and playing it I have decided to fully move on to this game. I am no longer holding out hope for POE in the near future to fix its issues and I will no longer be posting on these forums in the near to mid future as well. Maybe in a year or two I will see what is up with this game. Until then good luck in POE and the lab folks and the new map system. Its not going to be enuf for me. But its been a fun ride. I'm officially retired. Cheers to GGG for making this great entry into the ARPG market. I am definitely excited for POE 2. I hope they learn from their mistakes here in POE 1 eventually. Time is up for me but maybe they will still fix lab for those that remain with hope they will change it. Keep your chin up to all the folks pushing for changes in lab. Keep the fight alive. -PBF

I still visit the forums here and there, but I uninstalled weeks ago. Moved on to Marvel Heroes. It has a lot of room for customization, build diversity, character variation, etc. Even has an awesome "alternate advancement" system like EverQuest had in the form of their Omega System. As a big fan of Marvel (X-Men, Avengers, and a few others) I find it also has a really nice charm to it. The best thing about it? There's no fucking Lab!

If GGG ever learns from this mistake, maybe I'll revisit PoE, but they have lost a fan, a player, and a customer with me.