SET FREE THE ASCENDANCY POINTS (or rework the lab) [New ascension methods/lab rework ideas]

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goetzjam wrote:

GGG makes the design choices and for the most part lives with the decisions, almost all suggestions require a significant amount of work in order to implement and go against the design, its like a double wammy against doing any changes.

Nothing like the work required to develop the lab in the first place. The main wammy against GGG dropping the lab is not that it would require a lot of work, but that it's hard for them to let go of something that they already invested so much effort in.

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John Keys made a thread because hes a noob at the lab and doesn't understand how it works, its fine to have feedback threads like this.

And it isn't ok to have a feedback thread like this one? Answer: it is.

If GGG reworked lab and ascendency, their profit and player retention will increase by 300%

believe it.

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IMSilver wrote:

If GGG reworked lab and ascendency, their profit and player retention will increase by 300%

believe it.

Says the guy with no supporter titles EleGiggle

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goetzjam wrote:

Yet a massive list of threads doesn't even matter in the grand scheme of things, GGG makes the design choices and for the most part lives with the decisions, almost all suggestions require a significant amount of work in order to implement and go against the design, its like a double wammy against doing any changes.

If a developer makes a new update, he has to face the risk that any significant change to the playstyle can lead to players leaving the game. So you are right when you say, that it's GGG that makes the decissions, but when the player base answers with 100+ negative threads about the new content, the developer should seriously think about reverting the changes or try to alter it in a way, that i satisfies almost everyone.

Some of the suggested changes for example aren't a big deal for GGG. For example, giving the players the option to get the AC points from Malachai (instead of Izaro). Yes, there are some tryhards who say "I would hate that, because I only play the lab for the AC points". But if they only play the Lab for the AC points, doesn't that mean the Lab ITSELF is no fun at all for those players? Shouldn't it have a purpose beyond the AC points? The enchantmants are a good thing for example, but due to the fact that you need to make a complete run and the complete randomness of the enchantments, it's just to time consuming.

I dont think many people would complain when they took the AC points out of the lab. Only those who make a fortune thanks to offering runs will probably cry a little bit. But in the end, the majority would be happy. Lab mechanics didn't change and everyone can get their AC points the classic way. And GGG could add some more things to the lab to make it more worthwhile (for example: 2 enchants per run instead of 1).

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AceNightfire wrote:

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goetzjam wrote:

Yet a massive list of threads doesn't even matter in the grand scheme of things, GGG makes the design choices and for the most part lives with the decisions, almost all suggestions require a significant amount of work in order to implement and go against the design, its like a double wammy against doing any changes.

If a developer makes a new update, he has to face the risk that any significant change to the playstyle can lead to players leaving the game. So you are right when you say, that it's GGG that makes the decissions, but when the player base answers with 100+ negative threads about the new content, the developer should seriously think about reverting the changes or try to alter it in a way, that i satisfies almost everyone.

Some of the suggested changes for example aren't a big deal for GGG. For example, giving the players the option to get the AC points from Malachai (instead of Izaro). Yes, there are some tryhards who say "I would hate that, because I only play the lab for the AC points". But if they only play the Lab for the AC points, doesn't that mean the Lab ITSELF is no fun at all for those players? Shouldn't it have a purpose beyond the AC points? The enchantmants are a good thing for example, but due to the fact that you need to make a complete run and the complete randomness of the enchantments, it's just to time consuming.

I dont think many people would complain when they took the AC points out of the lab. Only those who make a fortune thanks to offering runs will probably cry a little bit. But in the end, the majority would be happy. Lab mechanics didn't change and everyone can get their AC points the classic way. And GGG could add some more things to the lab to make it more worthwhile (for example: 2 enchants per run instead of 1).

You think it isn't that big of a deal for GGG to add AC points to malachai, but the issue is it really is, from a design perspective no act bosses at all give any rewards, they simply allow you to progress into the next act or difficulty. Breaking that setup just to appease to the people that dislike the lab not only removes the purpose of challenge for reward and going out of your way to get said reward, but it would encourage player feedback to continue to demand that people get additional power essentially for "free" which the malachai rewards are.

Not only that it doesn't fit the whole lab scheme together, what about the last 2 points of the 8? Ideas like this were mentioned before the last 2 points were revealed, they've been left in the same empty state as stated, which is why the whole massively list all of the ideas is a terrible idea, it doesn't actually accomplish anything but give GGG a list of mediocre at best ideas to solve an issue they have with the game.

The glove\boot enchantments for merc are alright, but only the endgame lab enchantments are even relevant now, nothing else, at least in SC temp league even matters. So by giving points for killing malachai, you know something you already have to do in 2\3 difficulties its 100% giving them away for free and removing the purpose of having players do new content, which they later will almost certainly bitch about the lack of content.

GGG doesn't make changes for the "majority" or "vocal players" they make changes based on what they view as acceptable. Don't think for a second that the shitty idea of just adding it to malachai fixes shit, it doesn't and it isn't a good change for the game (it won't happen anyway, if they so choose to go down that route, all future support will be lost from me)

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Also, you do know that many choose to not display their supporter titles in the forum, right?

Well he has at least one not shown, I think so you might be right there, where are yours at, o wait you are posting from a smurf account.

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Casual_Ascent wrote:

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no act bosses at all give any rewards, they simply allow you to progress into the next act or difficulty

Act 3 piety?

She isn't an act boss, she was only a temporary boss for act 3 until the rest of the act was finished.