SET FREE THE ASCENDANCY POINTS (or rework the lab) [New ascension methods/lab rework ideas]

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Turtledove wrote:

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morbo wrote:

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Pyrokar wrote:

I really don't get all the fuss about the word gated. I didn't play WoW but i understand it was something that originated there. What's the deal?

I dunno, I never played WoW or any other MMORPG.

The Uber Lab is gated by luck, the first 6 points are not. Getting them is 100% deterministic and requires about 1 hour of gameplay in total. People who really hate the Lab, can just do all of it in one go when they overlevel. This way you save the most time.

I mean, playing endgame for 100 hours and not loot T14/15 maps, now that's gated... -_-

Anyway, I tried Uber at lvl 65 and almost got the fvker, just 1 pixel of health remained. Arrgh, I'm pissed!

Spoiler

Doing Uber with this build should be a cakewalk @75+. Pew pew crit bow ranged builds can clear whole screens of maps, melee right side of the tree can run Lab easier. I think its a fair deal (since total balance will never exist)

Gated in this context simply means that in order to get the ascendancy points the Labyrinth must be run. The ascendancy points are gated by the Labyrinth.

This is a normal definition of gate. Here's three online dictionaries that I accessed and copied definitions from.

Gate: any means of access or entrance:
The gate to stardom is talent. http://www.dictionary.com/browse/gate?s=t

Gated: having or controlled by a gate <a gated entrance> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gated

Gate: A means of access: the gate to riches. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/gate

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Pyrokar wrote:

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morbo wrote:

I'm not against reworking the Lab, so that players that want speed will need to invest skill, those who want safety will need to invest time. Or something similar.

But if I hear once more how Ascendancy points are "gated" and should be "free", I'm gona punch someone -_-

Merciless Lab done at level 58 (entered at 57), that is 10 levels below zone. 4.2k life with all self-found twink gear and a 5L. I even messed up the idols phase and Izaro was 100% buffed by idols.

SF common gear

Now you are gonna tell me how you "can't ascend at level 80"? And should be given free Asc points.

Get out! Out! Take their coats and throw them out!

I really don't get all the fuss about the word gated. I didn't play WoW but i understand it was something that originated there. What's the deal?

Also, just did all the uber lab trials first time in hardcore and got the relevant achievement. Again, it's not about the difficulty.

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goetzjam wrote:

You mean its almost as if you need to prove your character is worthy of ascension before you can get ASCENDANCY points.

Fucking crazy logic there.

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Turtledove wrote:

Gated in this context simply means that in order to get the ascendancy points the Labyrinth must be run. The ascendancy points are gated by the Labyrinth.

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morbo wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

Gated in this context simply means that in order to get the ascendancy points the Labyrinth must be run. The ascendancy points are gated by the Labyrinth.

Ok, but then Merciless is gated by Cruel. And playing maps is gated by the whole levelling process, which takes ~10-15 hours.

People can stomach 15 hours of 3X the same identical quest content for every character, but can not do less than 1 hour of Lab? Asc points get you build-defining features, and still players are not motivated by this reward?

Giving free Asc points for defeating Malachai or similar, makes no sense. The Lab and points are tied together, by lore and by design - investing time into obtaining power in parallel to regular content. If GGG was to "set free scendancy points", they might as well remove the Lab completely.

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Aim_Deep wrote:

Just wait until you're op as hell at like 75 and go back and do the trials, all three acendacies in like 1 hr tops. I hate lab too but thats what I do to minimize the painful experiance.

And if 75 is too soon fuck it try 85. You dont need these acendacies to be OP. ppl were beating uber long before them. So I wouldnt sweat it until ready. And by ready i mean face roll place to minimize your exposure to unpleasantness.

Last ladder I think I ascended normal/cruel/merc back to back to back at 76 with 6000 life and over 50K ice nova dps. was a complete joke. This one well not playing so much too busy here at work but i'd do the same thing again.

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morbo wrote:

People can stomach 15 hours of 3X the same identical quest content for every character, but can not do less than 1 hour of Lab? Asc points get you build-defining features, and still players are not motivated by this reward?

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gibbousmoon wrote:

1. Objections to the trap gameplay per se. If you think traps of this nature don't belong in PoE because it is too harsh a departure from the existing gameplay, if you think traps of this nature don't belong in any game that is a D2 successor, if you think traps of this nature don't belong in any game subject to network hiccups, or if you think traps of this nature don't belong with a mouse+keyboard control scheme, your objection probably fits in this category.

2. Objections to the non-optional nature of the content. If you think AC points make this content a de facto mandatory part of the game, and you think it should be optional to the same extent other non-expansion additions to the game are optional, your objection probably fits in this category.

3. Objections to the reward structure. If you run the labyrinth despite hating it, believe that content should be intrinsically fun, and compare the additional rewards added to the lab by GGG to the higher salaries enjoyed by garbage collectors working in large cities, your objection probably fits in this category.

4. Objections to GGG's approach and implementation. If you think a divided, toxic community is an unhealthy community, and that the labyrinth as it is currently implemented is causing exactly that, your objection probably fits in this category.

5. Objection to the difficulty of the traps and/or labyrinth. If you think the traps and/or Izaro encounters are too difficult and should be nerfed, your objection probably fits in this category. (Very few posters fit into this category, but you'll understand why I included it in a moment.)

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Tin_Foil_Hat wrote:

Imagine taking an entire year to beat a game. Imagine taking weeks to get reputation for gear, which was then used to gain access to better gear in Dungeons. Then after weeks of getting enough reputation you would unlock the harder version of that instance to get more gear. Also imagine having your crafting recipes gated behind that content that you had to do in order to get better gear, then spending weeks farming for recipe materials to eventually craft a required piece of gear just to have enough stats to start the first raid.

The list goes on, essentially progressing in World of Warcraft would take weeks and months, and youd gradually progress throughout the entire expansion to what would eventually lead up to a final boss.

What i described was Burning Crusade too, not the content after it because they made progressing in the game a joke after BC.

Coined as a video game term the word "gated" isnt used how you guys are trying to use it when youre describing content that can take, at max, an hour to do.

Edit- And i should also mention, requiring to do things in order to progress. You cant just skip content and progress on like you can here, and you certainly cant pay your way through it like you can in path of exile either. Hints actual gating because theres no way through it without the key (aka doing whats required in order to progress).

IF Blizzard does legacy Vanilla and Burning Crusade servers i highly suggest trying them out to see what gating truly means, of course that doesnt even compare to Everquest gating.