SET FREE THE ASCENDANCY POINTS (or rework the lab) [New ascension methods/lab rework ideas]

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dickhole_mcghee wrote:

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Mediocre. Even for you.

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WTF man, you need a lesson in netiquette. You don't quote a whole wall of text to put one comment in the middle of it. You just. dont.

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please go read that.

Only read the OP, but one of the suggestions was one I agreed with before reading it and was going to suggest if it wasn't already here.

"AC points are rewarded after killing Malachai in each difficulty. Labyrinth remains the same."

This is the best method. Since GGG wants to add 2 more points, make them a reward for killing Atziri. Done and done.

As for the Lab itself, and how to make it relevant still, I think it should just drop more treasure keys, and the loot in the treasure chests at the end have better than average drop rates (with ilvl caps up to zone level--no Bringer of Rain out of Cruel, for example).

This still leaves some incentive to run Labs, but doesn't leave the really, really, REALLY, sh**** taste in your mouth from being forced to run Labs in the first place. Let's face it:

Ascendancy Classes are one of the best features ever added to the game--Labyrinth is one of the worst.

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GrumpyMcElbows wrote:

At the very least, labyrinths need to stop resetting and wiping out all of your progress on deaths or disconnects, especially if the game is going to be this unstable.

I agree, we should be able to continue after death and have chance to do trades during labyrinth.

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GrumpyMcElbows wrote:

At the very least, labyrinths need to stop resetting and wiping out all of your progress on deaths or disconnects, especially if the game is going to be this unstable.

Tell that hardcore players... If we die, it's over. Must be nice to play lab in standard league.

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sidtherat wrote:

ill just say that this shows that you know little about the traps and what works and what doesnt. all items you listed are false. build matters, gear matters, skills you use matter. but the best anti-trap defence is.. not getting hit by them. so the most important part of the lab is YOUR skill. if you suck at it (As youve said) - get better. it wont take you more than 20 minutes to understand the WHOOOOOLE 20 or so trap gauntlets in the lab. once you know it there is NO EXCUSE to getting hit by them. 'git gud'

actually no.
best experience i've had so far is pathfinder mom, mom mitigates tons of trap damage, and has bleed immunity.

30% drop in numbers, even if your steam numbers were a good metric (they aren't) could it perhaps be that prophecy isn't the league for most? Could it also be the XP changes or really any other changes that happened this patch to account for the drop? Could it be that this patch isn't a whole expansion and as such has lower rate of people naturally that play.

Naw, its the lab /s


Hate comments on youtube, well fuck guys we gotta change the game because people that might not even play the game are posting on videos on youtube about how they dislike it. Useless feedback in places where it doesn't matter and your trying to make it somewhat relevant to the topic at hand.

Again less viewers, hum could it be perhaps because some of the larger streamers are playing at all or playing other games, like overwatch? Havoc for example seems to be done with PoE this league, hes playing overwatch or just taking it easy, whats likely the cause of this, hum lets see probably the XP change, but it could be that overwatch is so new and he really wants to play it. Some other larger streamers seem to have gotten jobs or have other obligations, not suprising its going to happen.


Ever single "negative' thing can't be pinned on the lab and you know it. Why your trying to grasp at areas that are COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT to your topic at hand is beyond all reason. Focus purely on making the lab better or your topic, don't fucking throw everything and the kitchen sink into the post.




Its a "taste" not really a forced playstyle, the amount of times you have to do the lab as a player (if you dont enjoy it) is very few times, if your a bad player or bad at the lab, pay for a carry, nothing wrong with it, people pay for boss carries already in the game.

The thing that makes PoE good, is they design the game they want to play and we play it, not they design the game the "community" wants to play. Its very important because one way is the way GGG does and the other way Blizzard does with D3. Very different games, ones enjoyable for a good duration, while the other isn't.


There are many options posted in OP's post. But the best is actually keeping the AC points in the lab and having some alternative method of lab so you deal with little to no traps. Its crucial that the lab remain a core focus of getting AC points, else the whole expansion is better of just thrown out, like your suggesting. If thats the case, take the AC points with it, if you can't be arsed to put forth the effort to earn the points, then you don't deserve them.


"challenging content" yeah because its not like you have to kill malachai in normal and cruel now anyway to progress. This issue has been address before in this thread.

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I spend yesterday like 5h farming maps to get uber lab trials done on my one of standard chars. After that I thought I can done uber lab on all my standard chars to get 8 points, but, GGG says FU, go farm next 5h for each other. So much "fun" doing that trial stinking bullshit.

What? You should be able to do uber on all of your characters, there might be a bug or something special you need to do, but the trials should be bound per league.





This is not the best way, you already kill Malachai to progress thru the normal gameplay, after days and days of the QQ from people GGG made malachai in normal and cruel a joke. You would have to be fooling yourself to think you should be worthy of the AC points for just doing malachai.


Any removal or alternative method outside of the lab for AC point means that normal and cruel lab become completely pointless, thats why they simply won't do it (from my observations)

"forced"

Challenge=reward

Doing something to get something, its really an amazing fucking concept.



I'm truly astonished about how much effort some players have put in to complain about a piece of content that takes very little time, especially if you get carried (which you should if your bad).

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goetzjam wrote:

if your a bad player or bad at the lab, pay for a carry, nothing wrong with it, people pay for boss carries already in the game.

Personally, I never have and never will pay for a carry through any content in the game. The idea that paying for a carry is the alternative option for people who do not want to play through the lab shows that something is broken.

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You would have to be fooling yourself to think you should be worthy of the AC points for just doing malachai

You would have to be fooling yourself to think you should be "worthy" of anything for just playing a video game.

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Any removal or alternative method outside of the lab for AC point means that normal and cruel lab become completely pointless, thats why they simply won't do it (from my observations)

You may well be right about that. But it shows how backwards things are: ascendancy points are being used to force players to go through the lab, otherwise they wouldn't do it. (And the number of players on the HCP lab ladders suggests to me that very few players are doing the lab for the fun of it, but who knows.) For myself, I especially dislike the feeling that GGG is trying to force the lab down my throat --- I might actually be more likely to do the lab for a change of pace if it was truly optional.

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I'm truly astonished about how much effort some players have put in to complain about a piece of content that takes very little time, especially if you get carried (which you should if your bad).

Astonished you may be, but it should indicate the depth of the negative reaction from many people to hiding the ascendancy classes behind the labyrinth.

Internet trolls may have been told millions of times that the we want the game to be better, that trap game play is boring tedious and not fun, that PoE is a great game because of the game play and trap game play destroys it, and they still want to try to tell people that they shouldn't spend effort trying to save the game we love and make it better. This is called trolling.

I for one will not donate another dime to GGG until this is fixed.

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Personally, I never have and never will pay for a carry through any content in the game. The idea that paying for a carry is the alternative option for people who do not want to play through the lab shows that something is broken.

Lets see, there are 2 parts to the lab, navigating thru the traps, which you must somewhat do and doing the boss fight. People pay for boss kills all of the time, especially in HC leagues. So no, its not an indication that something is broken, but rather an indication that some people simply choose an easier method.

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You would have to be fooling yourself to think you should be "worthy" of anything for just playing a video game.

You are suppose to earn them, just like you earn many things while playing games, its honestly not a new concept.

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You may well be right about that. But it shows how backwards things are: ascendancy points are being used to force players to go through the lab, otherwise they wouldn't do it. (And the number of players on the HCP lab ladders suggests to me that very few players are doing the lab for the fun of it, but who knows.) For myself, I especially dislike the feeling that GGG is trying to force the lab down my throat --- I might actually be more likely to do the lab for a change of pace if it was truly optional.

Its not down your throat, if you care about seeking challenges then your "forced" to do it a couple of times per character to get the benefits of the points. Much like all content in the game if you want a specific reward, but dislike how you achieve it, you want to point to "flaws" and use termanology like "forced" "gated" ect.

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Astonished you may be, but it should indicate the depth of the negative reaction from many people to hiding the ascendancy classes behind the labyrinth.

It was stated to be this way back in November of last year, no one complained about it then. Its been out of a few months now, I suspect over time people will QQ less and less leaving GGG to focus on the more important issues.

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goetzjam wrote:

I suspect over time people will QQ less and less leaving GGG to focus on the more important issues.

I suppose we'll have to wait and see which stops first: complaints about the labyrinth or the denigration of those who complain about the labyrinth. I'm not holding my breath in either case.