SET FREE THE ASCENDANCY POINTS (or rework the lab) [New ascension methods/lab rework ideas]

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Bowman8763 wrote:

I really have no useful comment to contribute, except...the lab sucks.

Hoping it goes away forever and never rears it's ugly, wasteful, time consuming head again. :)

Other than that, it's great!

Your signature alone is enough to silence many mounths mate. When a game whose purpose is to provide entertainment makes content that does not its only natural to have so many negative responses. 30% drop in numbers. Lab attendance dropping ever since the prophecy launch etc. People are contributing even without talking dont you worry.

On a side note i wanted to share some past experiences with the game : Ive been taking a piss on the orchard boss since i can remember, no matter my build ive killed it way back in the day when orchard was still a 66lvl map and i continue doing mercilesly so since that first time. The truth is its very weak mainly because of its mobility, its way too stagnant, and has extremely narrow variety of moves making it a boring and worthless fight in the end. And how funny it is that it spits perfect shaped balls out of his mouth? Another fun fact, from time to time i like to wear Queen of the Forest (the unique chest) and because devourers are animals it literally does nothing.


EDIT: OOoops i forgot to mention, 3+ months and still negatively criticizing threads regarding the lab are popping in general and feedback, hate comments on youtube videos regarding lab, and 2-3 people that stream lab over at twitch have 20% less viewers than usual (less than a hundred, two of them).

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Regulator wrote:

30% drop in numbers. Lab attendance dropping ever since the prophecy launch etc. People are contributing even without talking dont you worry.

Where are you getting your numbers from? Steam users are flocking over to the stand-alone client daily and yesterdays laby leaderboard had 7,800+ people on it and 10k+ people the day before. And lets not forget that's not including the number of players who over level and get left off the leaderboards.

I get that you don't like it but being a bit misleading much?

I see the labyrinth as GGG trying to force a hardcore playstyle on ALL players.
This was admitted by Chris Wilson in an interview or podcast some time ago.

This means that the developers seem to have lost sight of what makes POE good - deep character customisation and itemisation - this is the reason people like POE instead of Diablo3.
They have added experimental content like labyrinth and use it to gate their character customisation behind.

It's a shockingly stupid decision.
The only way to salvage this mess is for GGG to wake up and do the right thing - make the labyrinth truly optional, and let us gain ascendency points from fighting challenging content like Malachai or some map boss.
As for those labyrinth lovers - you can continue to run the lab for the enchants. No one is stopping you.

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Regulator wrote:

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On a side note i wanted to share some past experiences with the game : Ive been taking a piss on the orchard boss since i can remember, no matter my build ive killed it way back in the day when orchard was still a 66lvl map and i continue doing mercilesly so since that first time. The truth is its very weak mainly because of its mobility, its way too stagnant, and has extremely narrow variety of moves making it a boring and worthless fight in the end. And how funny it is that it spits perfect shaped balls out of his mouth? Another fun fact, from time to time i like to wear Queen of the Forest (the unique chest) and because devourers are animals it literally does nothing.


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Ha, I knew you were reading my posts!

And the bolded part is clever, I've got to give it up. I knew deep down inside you could be a great supervillain (or am i the supervillain? protip: nobody ever thinks they're the supervillain of their story).

To add a little, the orchard boss gives people problems because they either try to tank the hits or just avoid the boss. They don't pause to think of a strategy appropriate to their build.

Multilayered analogies, they're everywhere!

I spend yesterday like 5h farming maps to get uber lab trials done on my one of standard chars. After that I thought I can done uber lab on all my standard chars to get 8 points, but, GGG says FU, go farm next 5h for each other. So much "fun" doing that trial stinking bullshit.

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lorem331 wrote:

I see the labyrinth as GGG trying to force a hardcore playstyle on ALL players.
This was admitted by Chris Wilson in an interview or podcast some time ago.

This means that the developers seem to have lost sight of what makes POE good - deep character customisation and itemisation - this is the reason people like POE instead of Diablo3.
They have added experimental content like labyrinth and use it to gate their character customisation behind.

It's a shockingly stupid decision.
The only way to salvage this mess is for GGG to wake up and do the right thing - make the labyrinth truly optional, and let us gain ascendency points from fighting challenging content like Malachai or some map boss.
As for those labyrinth lovers - you can continue to run the lab for the enchants. No one is stopping you.

A refreshingly clear and honest opinion. This perfectly reflects my opinion prior to running into internet trolls declaring that my opinion is not valid. GGG will not get another penny from me until this is fixed.

To labyrinth lovers, go play labyrinth all you would like. Let GGG decide if they care enough about the number of people that are being turned off by labyrinth to fix their stupid mistake.

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Elua wrote:

I spend yesterday like 5h farming maps to get uber lab trials done on my one of standard chars. After that I thought I can done uber lab on all my standard chars to get 8 points, but, GGG says FU, go farm next 5h for each other. So much "fun" doing that trial stinking bullshit.

I entered one of the map trials and exited in disgust without finishing it. There's no way I'm going through that and the final labyrinth for those last two ascendancy points. I play games for fun not to be frustrated by boring and tedious nonsense.

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Turtledove wrote:

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lorem331 wrote:

I see the labyrinth as GGG trying to force a hardcore playstyle on ALL players.
This was admitted by Chris Wilson in an interview or podcast some time ago.

This means that the developers seem to have lost sight of what makes POE good - deep character customisation and itemisation - this is the reason people like POE instead of Diablo3.
They have added experimental content like labyrinth and use it to gate their character customisation behind.

It's a shockingly stupid decision.
The only way to salvage this mess is for GGG to wake up and do the right thing - make the labyrinth truly optional, and let us gain ascendency points from fighting challenging content like Malachai or some map boss.
As for those labyrinth lovers - you can continue to run the lab for the enchants. No one is stopping you.

A refreshingly clear and honest opinion. This perfectly reflects my opinion prior to running into internet trolls declaring that my opinion is not valid. GGG will not get another penny from me until this is fixed.

To labyrinth lovers, go play labyrinth all you would like. Let GGG decide if they care enough about the number of people that are being turned off by labyrinth to fix their stupid mistake.

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Elua wrote:

I spend yesterday like 5h farming maps to get uber lab trials done on my one of standard chars. After that I thought I can done uber lab on all my standard chars to get 8 points, but, GGG says FU, go farm next 5h for each other. So much "fun" doing that trial stinking bullshit.

I entered one of the map trials and exited in disgust without finishing it. There's no way I'm going through that and the final labyrinth for those last two ascendancy points. I play games for fun not to be frustrated by boring and tedious nonsense.

I agree with this 100% Im just sick of the lab.So far im pretty happy with the new league but when GGG shoves the lab down our throats I just get pissed and start looking for another game that I might like for a bit.

"Path of Exile has stopped working and needs to close."

I guess I didn't need those ascendancy points.

It's one thing to have to fight Izaro. It's another thing to fight the lab. It's a whole other ball game to have to fight PoE.

At the very least, labyrinths need to stop resetting and wiping out all of your progress on deaths or disconnects, especially if the game is going to be this unstable.

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Casual_Ascent wrote:

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GrumpyMcElbows wrote:

"Path of Exile has stopped working and needs to close."

I guess I didn't need those ascendancy points.

It's one thing to have to fight Izaro. It's another thing to fight the lab. It's a whole other ball game to have to fight PoE.

At the very least, labyrinths need to stop resetting and wiping out all of your progress on deaths or disconnects, especially if the game is going to be this unstable.

You're imagining it all. PoE and the Labyrinth are 100% stable. Just ask dickhole or goats. They're the eyes and ears of GGG :)

Mediocre. Even for you.

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dickhole_mcghee wrote:

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Regulator wrote:

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Im genuinely interested in the following that people seem to intentionally avoid to address :

If the ascendancy points where decoupled from the labyrinth, what would that mean to you? How would that affect your own personal way of playing?

I think that'd be fine, but it would still need to be coupled with something uniquely challenging... which would probably include some form of traps, and izaro, so... heh.

I like the idea of a lab map with 6 portals, but with harder traps to offset the 6 portals. I guess this mostly speaks to lag and disconnect problems, basically.

I like the idea of including unique strand map bosses, where you'd fight a version of your ascendency class too, if we're using 6 portals.

I agree with goetz, maybe not word for word though, about caving into vague complaints. 'Not fun' is vague and subjective and is not critical feedback.

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dickhole_mcghee wrote:

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SaiyanZ wrote:

Yep, I hate it here too.

Just spent the whole evening doing 18 trials and the three labs to get a character ready for the update. Got killed by traps in the 2nd last room of the Merciless lab. It was a combination of dart traps and roombas and they were desynced. Pushed flask too late.

This character is spoilt now. /deaths = 1

Yes, when I have a spotty connection ( either on my end or ggg's) I hate the lab more than 10 hitlers, even though i'm apparently in the 'lab lover' camp based on this thread. I think the two should be separate yet related issues, but I could be wrong.