Labyrinth is one of the best additions PoE ever had

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Most players defending lab's honour and design, the white knights of the labyrinth, make totally subjective comments without seeing the big picture.

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Put your fucking ego aside and think.

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I've never done Atziri, because I don't find it fun and/or I want to make build to farm Atziri. (haven't done much runs, too. Maybe I'm not even good enough to do it).

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Ps. White-knight argument again. Oh well, guess it is all kid/white-knight/ego/your-idea... Says a lot about level of discussion coming from you.

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I'm just voicing my opinion, and some people feel need to label me with some stuff. I'm losing respect? Lol.

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I have right to criticize anything, and anyone I please, thank you. But I focus on talking about the game, and not about people.

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Well, what does teenager do, when you tell him to find a job and start his own life, instead of leeching on everything his parents has achieved? He'll resist. He'll tantrum and say that this is wrong, and that he should be getting everything he is getting now.

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Again, want respect - show respect.

Like this ?

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I'm not gonna waste my breath explaining it to you, nor giving you examples of you being wrong. You will just ignore it, and say that you are waiting for responses to your points.
Go look up Wiki for some information about Izaro in the lore. There are such mentions. You're just being ignorant.

Almost a godwin point brah, good one.

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Lack of arguments often lead to that exact response, hilarious and pathetic at the same time, shows an inability to converse, disregarding actual arguments based on facts. Continuously making vague statements and when in a tough spot either uses bullying methods or uses the other's sides arguments. Argumentum ad hominem and responding to tone is the most usual techniques by people lacking sense or their "points" are loosely based or no based at all in facts.

Pretty much this


This thread is pure gold lol.


We still wait for an answer for it :

Not going to argue if the lab is good or not , I personally don't like it and that's it .

Also the fact that the lab was the only content this expansion had was a little bit disappointing .

Yeah. Say that again

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tryhardgg wrote:

Not going to argue if the lab is good or not , I personally don't like it and that's it .

Also the fact that the lab was the only content this expansion had is a little bit disappointing .

And ascendancy classes (which you have to do the lab for) and enchantments (which again you have to do the lab for)


idk its not 2.0 level big, but its bigger then previous expansions like vaal, maybe not masters.


You also have to keep in mind the next version 2.3? or whatever will have adjustments to this expansion, much like masters had adjustments made to them later as well.

Labyrinth is a good addition to the game. The traps look amazing and the overall ambience hits it at right spot. But there are so many things in it that i hate knowing that it will be a permanent feature of the game.

-Challenge? Is there really? When numerous posters proudly paraded their enchantment collections and run times like lab is nothing. Where is balance when you need an SSD and near perfect connection to even compete for the leadeboards. It is not even an option for me to think about participating in it.

-Inequality with builds. I envy those who made a life based build in this league. Even if one can make an ES based build with uber shield regen, nothing can beat an instant flask with traps. Even Chris admitted it has to be dealt with when the league ends. Not everyone is a master builder here. New players might fancy an ES build without knowing its consequences.

- Traps is ok if only you can see the whole sequence until you reach a safe spot. When the room bends, traps laid is too long, coupled with dark rooms and insufficient zoom out features, it becomes a leap of faith with flask spamming. I get it, you need to make quick decision with your movement skills but on to my next point.

- Lag / DC. This is the hardest trap in labyrinth. Even when I paid for a carry, a full party cannot keep up with different loading times when one got lost and got killed in traps while lagging and the other just DC. GGG saw this as a potential problem, but went on with a death kick back to Sarn.

Yes keep it like it is but make improvements on this points and it will become tolerable even for those who hate it like I do. You can ignore it after ascending, but make the experience for your players zero-doubt free about the design itself so they cant make valid points why this has to exist in the first place.

My personal reasons for hating it? I suck at games like this. Is it a l2p issue? Maybe? But after giving it a chance to be liked, i really ended up not being challenged, excited, motivated or even cared about progressing against traps. Enchantments as reward? Its good, i bought one fitting for my elementalist minus the hassle of running lab. The seller was happy I am happy but GGG has to stop threshing out devisive contents like labyrinth because unlike Atziri, it is foolish not to ascend. If a player hates it, not everyone will have the patience or resolve to accept it like i did and just quit.

To be fair, if Ascendency points were divorced from the Lab (i.e. you could get the points OUTSIDE of the lab), very few people would even run the lab.

Personally if Ascendancy points were available elsewhere, then I would run the lab less than 10 times: bascially until i got decent glove and boot enchants (helm is total crapshoot lottery nonsense).


All of the ideas of separating A-points from lab are just a pipe dream. I'm sure a large chunk of players that currently run the lab wouldn't bother at all if all you could get from there were some enchantments.

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MisterER wrote:

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Most players defending lab's honour and design, the white knights of the labyrinth, make totally subjective comments without seeing the big picture.

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Put your fucking ego aside and think.

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I've never done Atziri, because I don't find it fun and/or I want to make build to farm Atziri. (haven't done much runs, too. Maybe I'm not even good enough to do it).

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Ps. White-knight argument again. Oh well, guess it is all kid/white-knight/ego/your-idea... Says a lot about level of discussion coming from you.

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I'm just voicing my opinion, and some people feel need to label me with some stuff. I'm losing respect? Lol.

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I have right to criticize anything, and anyone I please, thank you. But I focus on talking about the game, and not about people.

That's why everyone who disagrees with you is called as a "salty nut" [Removed by Support]

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Well, what does teenager do, when you tell him to find a job and start his own life, instead of leeching on everything his parents has achieved? He'll resist. He'll tantrum and say that this is wrong, and that he should be getting everything he is getting now.

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Again, want respect - show respect.

Like this ?

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I'm not gonna waste my breath explaining it to you, nor giving you examples of you being wrong. You will just ignore it, and say that you are waiting for responses to your points.
Go look up Wiki for some information about Izaro in the lore. There are such mentions. You're just being ignorant.

Almost a godwin point brah, good one.

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Lack of arguments often lead to that exact response, hilarious and pathetic at the same time, shows an inability to converse, disregarding actual arguments based on facts. Continuously making vague statements and when in a tough spot either uses bullying methods or uses the other's sides arguments. Argumentum ad hominem and responding to tone is the most usual techniques by people lacking sense or their "points" are loosely based or no based at all in facts.

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This thread is pure gold lol.

This post is pure gold. Thanks for the laugh, Melissa.

Going somewhat off topic: labyrinth's variance (even if predictable if farmed enough) has a giant potential to be used elsewhere. Imagine using that technology in another dungeon, or a whole act.

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NeroNoah wrote:

Going somewhat off topic: labyrinth's variance (even if predictable if farmed enough) has a giant potential to be used elsewhere. Imagine using that technology in another dungeon, or a whole act.

*shudders*

I like the lab. It needs some small small (and some big) tweaks, but overall its a good meta concept for the game.