Quitting PoE after years due to Labyrinth System

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Vaalamity wrote:

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G0rr wrote:

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ogresamanosuke wrote:

I'm shocked at all the complaining in here about the Lab. I think it's the best damn thing ever put in an ARPG. I only had a little trouble the first time I went in on Normal (which is probably a bit overtuned), mostly because I wasn't even into my builds power spike yet. Now I'm can run sub 10 minute Merc labs with little effort.

Basically this. Best thing added to the game recently.
If only they solve the issues with DC's and few bugs here and there.

Who doesn't love Lab should just ignore it, after getting once over ascendancy "pain" as they see it.

Once? You mean multiple attempts per character per difficulty, assuming you can beat Izario? And of course if you want enchants, well...

And thats not even half the story. The labyrinth is already part of standard, so it'll most likely exist in the new future leagues.

You have to run it 3 times(plus the ascendancy trials) every time you make a new league character in the future. Every time. How does this sound to you?

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joachimbond wrote:

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Perq wrote:

Sorry dude, but if you came here to brag about how much money you have, and how you won't be giving it to GGG,

Not bragging. Making a statement. A statement that hopefully GGG will consider, and think about all the other middling players there are out there, and how there won't be any MTX fees coming from them, either.

How does your air conditioning stay broken for a week? You can't afford to get it fixed, is how. This isn't going to be helped by driving away the middle of the bell curve with some ill-guided crusade to share the hardcore adrenaline with people who signed up for and want to play, standard.

I've already said several times that I wouldn't even be complaining if it weren't for the lack of waypoints in the lab. Hell, put them before each iteration of izaro and reset izaro's health whenever you die/dc/logout... but don't make me slog through that goddamn maze every fricking time he gets the better of me, or your buggy client or servers get the better of me (which has just as often been the case)

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because you can't stand difficult games,

Really? is it for you to be saying that on my behalf? What arrogance.

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and instead you prefer them to be patting you in the back and saying you are a very good player, joachimbond!,

More arrogance from on-high. I don't need your uber1337 gaem validation, kid.

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I have a bad news - nobody needs your dirty money. :=) GGG will be fine, don't you worry.

My "dirty money". Yeah, are you sure you checked with Chris before telling the world that GGG doesn't need their money? Moar arrogance.

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Also: It is ACTION RPG, remember? ACTION. Avoiding stuff using your mouse and reflexes is ACTION.

Funny, and here i thought the combat and deaths and shit were the action. Oh that's right! I DIDN'T SIGN UP FOR A TWISTED SUPER MARIO ABORTION!

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If you prefer MMO boar-farming for ages - go for it. But don't claim it is the only way ACTION RPGs are to be played.

I guess you could put a game of Stratego in the middle of an ARPG and then say 'voila!'. But that doesn't mean I'd want to play that shit. Surely somebody would. And they would say how those who don't like it just don't want to use their brains and smartz. Sound famiiar? It should.

PoE started as hardcore experience, and survive from that day. With support of many people who want such game. So, can please go away with you "air conditioning is broken cuz you poor" idiotic argument, somewhere else?
You are not making a statement. You are giving them ultimatum - you do what I tell you, or else... GGG survived dozen of poe ded gaem threads, Steam-charts idiots and all other sort of nay-sayers. You are not the first, you won't be the last.

Also, kid argument. :) Calling me kid doesn't make my points invalid. It only makes you look like a fool, because you have to go with such low-arguments to be able to say anything at all.

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Perq wrote:

Also, kid argument. :) Calling me kid doesn't make my points invalid. It only makes you look like a fool, because you have to go with such low-arguments to be able to say anything at all.

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And yes, it's fine to tell a business "If you continue to do business this way, I will have to take my business elsewhere." It's called voting with your wallet. [Removed by support]

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Johny_Snow wrote:

You have to run it 3 times(plus the ascendancy trials) every time you make a new league character in the future. Every time. How does this sound to you?

As I wrote in other topics, for me it sounds like I will be not leveling new characters in future.

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joachimbond wrote:

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Perq wrote:

Also, kid argument. :) Calling me kid doesn't make my points invalid. It only makes you look like a fool, because you have to go with such low-arguments to be able to say anything at all.

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And yes, it's fine to tell a business "If you continue to do business this way, I will have to take my business elsewhere." It's called voting with your wallet. [Removed by support]

You seem angry. Why is so? :V

You are welcome to take your business elsewhere. Given the way you are talking now, I'd even say it is recommended one. :V

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tmaciak wrote:

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Johny_Snow wrote:

You have to run it 3 times(plus the ascendancy trials) every time you make a new league character in the future. Every time. How does this sound to you?

As I wrote in other topics, for me it sounds like I will be not leveling new characters in future.

You have to complete whole 4 acts, 3 times (well, except for Act 4 on Merciless) - This is fine

You have to do Lab, which can take 10 minutes, if done correctly, 30 minutes total - Can't level character anymore

Angry logic at its finest. :V

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Perq wrote:

You have to complete whole 4 acts, 3 times (well, except for Act 4 on Merciless) - This is fine

You have to do Lab, which can take 10 minutes, if done correctly, 30 minutes total - Can't level character anymore

Angry logic at its finest. :V

I don't play platform games. I play cRPGs and aRPGs. Acts are aRPG, Lab is platform. Do you see difference?

But I showed Lab run to my 8 year old sons. And you know? They enjoyed it immensely. Hm, interesting coincidence...

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sidtherat wrote:

this is a L2P update

so players that get carried hard by their copypasted FOTM build have a chance to understand how bad at this game they really are

some did - and they are improving. some did not and are spending their time trying to swim upstream

'mobs yield no xp'? when you do the lab ONCE for last 2 asc points mobs are 68 so are you so they DO yield xp. so what was your point? that your cookie cutter build that you use to right-click to the game cannot carry you trough a content requiring basic skills? tough. maybe that was the intention behind this lab. power creep allowed pretty mediocre players to roflstomp everything making the 'hardcore' part a joke.

Look Sid your a jerk and have no empathy for others we get it but this is a feedback forum not a omg im soo good and call the state of the game cause im elite forum so please see yourself out you toxic orb of hate and before you go and start talking to me about of your just another softie who cant do it and needs to L2p think again i have beaten the content on multiple classes including a LOW LIFE WHISPERING ICE WITCH all to the effect of this is going to be hard for people who are not used to this type of game play along with the BAD and i mean BAAAD navigation/pathing/movement UI that GGG (no fault on them just poor timing of xpack) has and its not like it was a problem before because well all you needed to dodge was telegraphed enemy attacks and ground effects that did not move. I think this all will resolve itself with nurfing and balancing the lab as well as making it more loot rewarding and they can only see the feedback if we post it and you hating and discouraging people to give their feedback IS NOT HELPING SAME WITH THE BLUE LETTER ENTITLED KNIGHT THAT HAS WAY TOO MUCH TIME ON HIS HANDS TO CRITICIZE OTHERS. As of now i think its alot along the lines of uber sac runs where some builds simply are left in the dust and others are unphased and it will also spawn new builds but it needs to be more balanced so everyone can enjoy the content at least in a somewhat sane way. I think the highlight would be to make an uber version and knock down the others to having the traps do flat damage/bleed/poison instead of % or have your stats effect the % in some way to make it hit less.



IF ANYONE IN STAND NEEDS A RUN THROUGH TO HELP QUELL THE NEED TO LEAVE THIS GREAT GAME PLEASE CONTACT ME AND I WILL RUN YOU FOR NO CHARGE I LOVE THIS COMMUNITY AND HATE TO SEE YOU GO!

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tmaciak wrote:

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Perq wrote:

You have to complete whole 4 acts, 3 times (well, except for Act 4 on Merciless) - This is fine

You have to do Lab, which can take 10 minutes, if done correctly, 30 minutes total - Can't level character anymore

Angry logic at its finest. :V

I don't play platform games. I play cRPGs and aRPGs. Acts are aRPG, Lab is platform. Do you see difference?

But I showed Lab run to my 8 year old sons. And you know? They enjoyed it immensely. Hm, interesting coincidence...

Yeah, because you don't need to dodge anything in cRPGs and aRPGs. They need no reflex and planning.
Lab is not platform. Platform is jumping on platforms. PoE is 2D in different dimensions.
Do your homework.

Yeah, coincidence is that you are old and dorky, and your kids are open minded (at least now) :=)
Yet again, nice try are using you are a kid, your arguments doesn't matter kind of thing. Tells a lot about your attitude. :=)

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JacobJackel wrote:

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Look Sid your a jerk and have no empathy for others we get it but this is a feedback forum not a omg im soo good and call the state of the game cause im elite forum so please see yourself out you toxic orb of hate and before you go and start talking to me about of your just another softie who cant do it and needs to L2p think again i have beaten the content on multiple classes including a LOW LIFE WHISPERING ICE WITCH all to the effect of this is going to be hard for people who are not used to this type of game play along with the BAD and i mean BAAAD navigation/pathing/movement UI that GGG (no fault on them just poor timing of xpack) has and its not like it was a problem before because well all you needed to dodge was telegraphed enemy attacks and ground effects that did not move. I think this all will resolve itself with nurfing and balancing the lab as well as making it more loot rewarding and they can only see the feedback if we post it and you hating and discouraging people to give their feedback IS NOT HELPING SAME WITH THE BLUE LETTER ENTITLED KNIGHT THAT HAS WAY TOO MUCH TIME ON HIS HANDS TO CRITICIZE OTHERS. As of now i think its alot along the lines of uber sac runs where some builds simply are left in the dust and others are unphased and it will also spawn new builds but it needs to be more balanced so everyone can enjoy the content at least in a somewhat sane way. I think the highlight would be to make an uber version and knock down the others to having the traps do flat damage/bleed/poison instead of % or have your stats effect the % in some way to make it hit less.



IF ANYONE IN STAND NEEDS A RUN THROUGH TO HELP QUELL THE NEED TO LEAVE THIS GREAT GAME PLEASE CONTACT ME AND I WILL RUN YOU FOR NO CHARGE I LOVE THIS COMMUNITY AND HATE TO SEE YOU GO!

Use your own advice, Sir. :V

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Perq wrote:

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joachimbond wrote:

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Perq wrote:

Sorry dude, but if you came here to brag about how much money you have, and how you won't be giving it to GGG,

Not bragging. Making a statement. A statement that hopefully GGG will consider, and think about all the other middling players there are out there, and how there won't be any MTX fees coming from them, either.

How does your air conditioning stay broken for a week? You can't afford to get it fixed, is how. This isn't going to be helped by driving away the middle of the bell curve with some ill-guided crusade to share the hardcore adrenaline with people who signed up for and want to play, standard.

I've already said several times that I wouldn't even be complaining if it weren't for the lack of waypoints in the lab. Hell, put them before each iteration of izaro and reset izaro's health whenever you die/dc/logout... but don't make me slog through that goddamn maze every fricking time he gets the better of me, or your buggy client or servers get the better of me (which has just as often been the case)

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because you can't stand difficult games,

Really? is it for you to be saying that on my behalf? What arrogance.

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and instead you prefer them to be patting you in the back and saying you are a very good player, joachimbond!,

More arrogance from on-high. I don't need your uber1337 gaem validation, kid.

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I have a bad news - nobody needs your dirty money. :=) GGG will be fine, don't you worry.

My "dirty money". Yeah, are you sure you checked with Chris before telling the world that GGG doesn't need their money? Moar arrogance.

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Also: It is ACTION RPG, remember? ACTION. Avoiding stuff using your mouse and reflexes is ACTION.

Funny, and here i thought the combat and deaths and shit were the action. Oh that's right! I DIDN'T SIGN UP FOR A TWISTED SUPER MARIO ABORTION!

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If you prefer MMO boar-farming for ages - go for it. But don't claim it is the only way ACTION RPGs are to be played.

I guess you could put a game of Stratego in the middle of an ARPG and then say 'voila!'. But that doesn't mean I'd want to play that shit. Surely somebody would. And they would say how those who don't like it just don't want to use their brains and smartz. Sound famiiar? It should.

PoE started as hardcore experience, and survive from that day. With support of many people who want such game. So, can please go away with you "air conditioning is broken cuz you poor" idiotic argument, somewhere else?
You are not making a statement. You are giving them ultimatum - you do what I tell you, or else... GGG survived dozen of poe ded gaem threads, Steam-charts idiots and all other sort of nay-sayers. You are not the first, you won't be the last.

Also, kid argument. :) Calling me kid doesn't make my points invalid. It only makes you look like a fool, because you have to go with such low-arguments to be able to say anything at all.

you should be ashamed of yourself Perq for starters you have always had a good grip on fairness and balance and i for the most part have agreed with you in the past but i dont think attacking peoples feedback is the way. and here you are shame shame _1 respect point for you sir and no this is not about the actual issue at hand this is how YOU are replying to people and portraying yourself ON A FEEDBACK FORUM. hope you feel real good about yourself and how you look to people reading this FEEDBACK forum.

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Perq wrote:

Yeah, coincidence is that you are old and dorky, and your kids are open minded (at least now) :=)
Yet again, nice try are using you are a kid, your arguments doesn't matter kind of thing. Tells a lot about your attitude. :=)

Attitude "I like Lab, others opinion doesn't matter" also says a lot.

But whatever. It's server statistics what will dictate GGG decision, not blue texts of Izaro's White Knight Legion members, so only what I can do, is to make my server statistics show my attitude to newly added content. And I'm going to do so. Skip I mean.