Quitting PoE after years due to Labyrinth System

Just did Merciless Lab with FULL SUPPORT LOW-LIFE Guardian. At level 72. Solo. And then 3 more times with party.

The only damage that is overtuned in Labyrinth is YOUR PASSIVE SKILL TREE DAMAGE. Don't expect to be able to survive with your shitty 3/4 of skill points go into DPS builds, please.

This expansion is clearly a L2P one.

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joachimbond wrote:

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Chadwixx wrote:

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JeremiahLoh wrote:

Ascendancy and Labyrinth aren't mandatory per say, you can still do Mapping and End-Game Content without using the Labyrinth's Goodies.

It's just the horrible optimization which came along with Ascendancy. When the game is way more stable pre-Awakening its a big turn-off and frustrates player experience more.

Many classes were nerf'd in order to make acd skills non op. I gained 600dps with 6pts. Its a slight increase but kinda broke even.

Would of lost 15% sheet dps + nerfed poison (both in tree nodes and gem). My beartrap is now called cubtrap with the bino's nerf as well. Did i mention bladefall got a 130% to 90?

To get back to where i was this was mandatory.

Id also like to add "all traps going off on hit" or whatever its called, ruins my beartrap kiting. Stupid passive but has other stuff.

^this.

I'm bookmarking THIS response so I can shove it in the face of every white knight who comes to GGG's rescue with the lame excuse "But it's OPTIONAL!".

Bookmark it. And bookmark it well. For what you see is the most FOTM build got nerfed kind of complain, ever. He was playing the most popular and broken build of previous league. Build he did not invent, analyzed or understood. That was the build he copy-pasted and then goes butt-hurt when it got nerfed.
THIS is what kind of people complain about Lab being bad and/or hard. And I'm kind of tired reading this kind of bullshit. ;___;

I'm shocked at all the complaining in here about the Lab. I think it's the best damn thing ever put in an ARPG. I only had a little trouble the first time I went in on Normal (which is probably a bit overtuned), mostly because I wasn't even into my builds power spike yet. Now I'm can run sub 10 minute Merc labs with little effort.

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sidtherat wrote:

this is a L2P update

so players that get carried hard by their copypasted FOTM build have a chance to understand how bad at this game they really are

Except all those bad players have been, up until now, spending their money here. You know, stash tabs? skin transfers? MTX?. I'm going to play devilian for a bit and see how that feels.

And I just got a new job. Been doing odd jobs for years. Looks like I'm going to have some more dispensible cash than I have lately. Too bad GGG's not getting any of it. They would have, if the lab (and the trap parts i've figured out, doesn't change that the whole area is dead babies) hadn't been gating the core of the new expansion. NO ONE WANTS TO PLAY HOPPY HOPPY JUMP JUMP HERE. Except you folks who do and are really trying hard to justify shoving a completely un-PoE playstyle down everyone's throats.

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joachimbond wrote:

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sidtherat wrote:

this is a L2P update

so players that get carried hard by their copypasted FOTM build have a chance to understand how bad at this game they really are

Except all those bad players have been, up until now, spending their money here. You know, stash tabs? skin transfers? MTX?. I'm going to play devilian for a bit and see how that feels.

And I just got a new job. Been doing odd jobs for years. Looks like I'm going to have some more dispensible cash than I have lately. Too bad GGG's not getting any of it. They would have, if the lab (and the trap parts i've figured out, doesn't change that the whole area is dead babies) hadn't been gating the core of the new expansion. NO ONE WANTS TO PLAY HOPPY HOPPY JUMP JUMP HERE. Except you folks who do and are really trying hard to justify shoving a completely un-PoE playstyle down everyone's throats.

Sorry dude, but if you came here to brag about how much money you have, and how you won't be giving it to GGG, because you can't stand difficult games, and instead you prefer them to be patting you in the back and saying you are a very good player, joachimbond!, I have a bad news - nobody needs your dirty money. :=) GGG will be fine, don't you worry.

Also: It is ACTION RPG, remember? ACTION. Avoiding stuff using your mouse and reflexes is ACTION.
If you prefer MMO boar-farming for ages - go for it. But don't claim it is the only way ACTION RPGs are to be played.

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joachimbond wrote:

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sidtherat wrote:

this is a L2P update

so players that get carried hard by their copypasted FOTM build have a chance to understand how bad at this game they really are

Except all those bad players have been, up until now, spending their money here. You know, stash tabs? skin transfers? MTX?. I'm going to play devilian for a bit and see how that feels.

And I just got a new job. Been doing odd jobs for years. Looks like I'm going to have some more dispensible cash than I have lately. Too bad GGG's not getting any of it. They would have, if the lab (and the trap parts i've figured out, doesn't change that the whole area is dead babies) hadn't been gating the core of the new expansion. NO ONE WANTS TO PLAY HOPPY HOPPY JUMP JUMP HERE. Except you folks who do and are really trying hard to justify shoving a completely un-PoE playstyle down everyone's throats.

Imagine if shit-posting in every single Labyrinth thread was a paying job, you could have bought a Ruler pack by now :)

I kid, of course, feedback is always valued.

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sidtherat wrote:

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Chadwixx wrote:

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JeremiahLoh wrote:

Ascendancy and Labyrinth aren't mandatory per say, you can still do Mapping and End-Game Content without using the Labyrinth's Goodies.

It's just the horrible optimization which came along with Ascendancy. When the game is way more stable pre-Awakening its a big turn-off and frustrates player experience more.

Many classes were nerf'd in order to make acd skills non op. I gained 600dps with 6pts. Its a slight increase but kinda broke even.

Would of lost 15% sheet dps + nerfed poison (both in tree nodes and gem). My beartrap is now called cubtrap with the bino's nerf as well. Did i mention bladefall got a 130% to 90?

To get back to where i was this was mandatory.

so the the broken as f.. mechanics were necessary to carry you trough the game? no wonder lab is 'hard' for some

i repeat that - it was the broken gems and poison multidiping that let you get to 90. not your skill. anybody could make a bladefall poison build.

a fact: poison multidip is still broken, just saying
a tip: bino's nerf did not cut your dps

Lol you again? In every post [Removed by support] claiming all the "skill" and "thought" it takes and how everyone is just reliant on gear lol; I watched your speed run... you whirling blades and face tanked every trap, then face tanked Izario with your 5k ES and 6K life, never moving and just spamming your attack until he died.

Yeah, you're just too skilled man, we are all just peasants compared to your amazing Quicksilver whirling blades skillz.

And as to OP, I'm quitting too. Finally beat Merci lab... thought I was done. Nope, only got 2 points. Tried in normal with today's layout (SHIT tons of traps) died once and said... nope... not doing this again. I'm over it and then some. I suffered through Lab once... never want to do it again.

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ogresamanosuke wrote:

I'm shocked at all the complaining in here about the Lab. I think it's the best damn thing ever put in an ARPG. I only had a little trouble the first time I went in on Normal (which is probably a bit overtuned), mostly because I wasn't even into my builds power spike yet. Now I'm can run sub 10 minute Merc labs with little effort.

Basically this. Best thing added to the game recently.
If only they solve the issues with DC's and few bugs here and there.

Who doesn't love Lab should just ignore it, after getting once over ascendancy "pain" as they see it.

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G0rr wrote:

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ogresamanosuke wrote:

I'm shocked at all the complaining in here about the Lab. I think it's the best damn thing ever put in an ARPG. I only had a little trouble the first time I went in on Normal (which is probably a bit overtuned), mostly because I wasn't even into my builds power spike yet. Now I'm can run sub 10 minute Merc labs with little effort.

Basically this. Best thing added to the game recently.
If only they solve the issues with DC's and few bugs here and there.

Who doesn't love Lab should just ignore it, after getting once over ascendancy "pain" as they see it.

Once? You mean multiple attempts per character per difficulty, assuming you can beat Izario? And of course if you want enchants, well...

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Perq wrote:

Sorry dude, but if you came here to brag about how much money you have, and how you won't be giving it to GGG,

Not bragging. Making a statement. A statement that hopefully GGG will consider, and think about all the other middling players there are out there, and how there won't be any MTX fees coming from them, either.

How does your air conditioning stay broken for a week? You can't afford to get it fixed, is how. This isn't going to be helped by driving away the middle of the bell curve with some ill-guided crusade to share the hardcore adrenaline with people who signed up for and want to play, standard.

I've already said several times that I wouldn't even be complaining if it weren't for the lack of waypoints in the lab. Hell, put them before each iteration of izaro and reset izaro's health whenever you die/dc/logout... but don't make me slog through that goddamn maze every fricking time he gets the better of me, or your buggy client or servers get the better of me (which has just as often been the case)

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because you can't stand difficult games,

Really? is it for you to be saying that on my behalf? What arrogance.

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and instead you prefer them to be patting you in the back and saying you are a very good player, joachimbond!,

More arrogance from on-high. I don't need your uber1337 gaem validation, kid.

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I have a bad news - nobody needs your dirty money. :=) GGG will be fine, don't you worry.

My "dirty money". Yeah, are you sure you checked with Chris before telling the world that GGG doesn't need their money? Moar arrogance.

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Also: It is ACTION RPG, remember? ACTION. Avoiding stuff using your mouse and reflexes is ACTION.

Funny, and here i thought the combat and deaths and shit were the action. Oh that's right! I DIDN'T SIGN UP FOR A TWISTED SUPER MARIO ABORTION!

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If you prefer MMO boar-farming for ages - go for it. But don't claim it is the only way ACTION RPGs are to be played.

I guess you could put a game of Stratego in the middle of an ARPG and then say 'voila!'. But that doesn't mean I'd want to play that shit. Surely somebody would. And they would say how those who don't like it just don't want to use their brains and smartz. Sound famiiar? It should.

Stop claiming lab needs skill. There are two ways lab can be done :

1) Quicksilver and run as fast as you can. Miss 70% of the lab's content, claim that its fun (yeah right...) come to forums and post subjective and arrogant comments that make absolutely no sense.

2) Actually try and do the whole thing without missing anything. Spent over two hours trying to figure out every puzzle, finding every secret, pick up everything valuable. Then just before the final fight get a crash or dc, and then you have to start over again. Or actually finish the lab after a long time of observing, waiting, runnin, pulling levers like Indiana Jones or something in a Hack & Slash ARPG.


As a white knight said the other day

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IceDeal wrote:

I'm a big roguelike and roguelite fan and the lab is an amazing addition to the game.

Some people are past the age when they like Contra and Tomb Rider, labyrinth playstyle is exactly that if you cant see it you will after the hype is gone.


Also Ascendancy is the only expansion that locked something more than just items. Never before in the history of PoE you lost something so big by choosing not to do the new content.

Just waiting until the weekend comes. Lets see how many people of the whole playerbase have done the lab, how many stopped playing, how many posted negative feedback etc. I know the white knights cant see reason, megalomania and narcisism has taken over their minds (some claim they are better than the rest, some started writing with different colours, some even undermine their own arguments), but GGG can, and they also can understand numbers.