The labyrinth is both boring and frustrating

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Turtledove wrote:

Different people can have different experiences even when doing the same thing. You don't consider labyrinth a different game play from the rest of PoE. A significant number of people people do. Neither is right or wrong, just different.

So are the pit areas in Daresso's Dream, so is the Daresso fight which is the only major boss fight without adds, so are Maligaro's and Malachai's ground traps (Maligaro is also the only major boss fight with lots of Chaos damage), so is the fact that Malachai turns invulnerable at times, so is the strange tempest thingy in the last stage of the Malachai fight. All new mechanics. How are they different to traps? I cannot destroy the ground traps in the Maligaro fight either.

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Corrivati wrote:

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Shovelcut wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

The issue with traps, at least for some people, is that it is a different game play that feels like a different game. A different genre of game that some people do not enjoy or do not want to experience when they are playing an ARPG.

I don't get it, to me it's no different than dodging a charging rhoa or an exiles flameblast. I don't see how it's different than pre-existing gameplay, we're already manually dodging shit...

Let me explain.

It's much different. Cause all those attack you mentioned you can negate with your stats, ressistance, eva, armor - everything works. Not against traps. My lvl 60 ES build died to normal Lab traps in two hits.

This is RPG ... stats, gear and build SHOULD make a difference.

Sorry but under the right circumstances the things I mentioned can one or two shot you. They require manual dodging and always have.

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Turtledove wrote:

The argument about Act 4 is not the same thing.

It is when you realize it's not new mechanics in the laby aside from the boss fight mechanics. Every mechanic you're complaining about was already in the core game, it's just more relevant now in one short portion of each difficulty. As it should be considering the reward for completing it.

The only difference is that I'm willing to trudge on through the area I don't like, can you say the same? See bottom portion of sig.

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Char1983 wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

Different people can have different experiences even when doing the same thing. You don't consider labyrinth a different game play from the rest of PoE. A significant number of people people do. Neither is right or wrong, just different.

So are the pit areas in Daresso's Dream, so is the Daresso fight which is the only major boss fight without adds, so are Maligaro's and Malachai's ground traps (Maligaro is also the only major boss fight with lots of Chaos damage), so is the fact that Malachai turns invulnerable at times, so is the strange tempest thingy in the last stage of the Malachai fight. All new mechanics. How are they different to traps? I cannot destroy the ground traps in the Maligaro fight either.

The traps in Labyrinth are a different game play. Those other examples you give like Malachai turning invulnerable etc. does not change the game play. Those things keep the same game play that is in the rest of PoE, at least for me. Even GGG called Labyrinth "Prince of Persia like" in their pre-release hype. They were purposefully trying to get something new. They succeeded and I don't enjoy it. I don't like the game play in Prince of Persia.

The game play in PoE is very similar to the game play in other ARPG's like Diablo. The game play in other genres is different. The game play in each genre has a different feel to it, at least to me. Turn based combat is fun planning the moves and then exciting/surprising/satisfying to see the enemy moves reactions, for example. I like the feel of some genres of games and not of others.

Yeah well, for me, Act4 is different gameplay as well. And personally, even though I don't like most of Act4, I am very happy that GGG is giving us more than "more of the same".

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Shovelcut wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

The argument about Act 4 is not the same thing.

It is when you realize it's not new mechanics in the laby aside from the boss fight mechanics. Every mechanic you're complaining about was already in the core game, it's just more relevant now in one short portion of each difficulty. As it should be considering the reward for completing it.

The only difference is that I'm willing to trudge on through the area I don't like, can you say the same? See bottom portion of sig.

To me it's similar to a food. I don't like okra. Telling me that it's a vegetable and that I like other vegetables and so I should like okra, isn't going to work or that if I practice eating okra then I'll learn to like it isn't going to work. It tastes different and I don't like the taste. Different genres of games have different game play and I don't like the feel of the game play in some genres. It is true that I can trudge through. Just like it is true that I can eat okra. Depending on how much I dislike it, I might decide different things. For example, people have quit PoE because they don't like labyrinth. Some have said that they create fewer new characters because they don't like dealing with labyrinth. Others have said that the Labyrinth tires them out more. It is a real thing but not everyone feels the same way about it.

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Turtledove wrote:

To me it's similar to a food.

So, I can't compare laby to a4 but you're going to use food analogies? lol ok

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Turtledove wrote:

Some have said that they create fewer new characters because they don't like dealing with labyrinth. Others have said that the Labyrinth tires them out more. It is a real thing but not everyone feels the same way about it.

And some have quit because of act 4, whats that have to do with anything? I know a fair portion of my friend list haven't come back since act 4 was introduced.

Your argument of it changing the gameplay to something akin to frogger is just flat out wrong. You keep bringing up that it changes the genre of the game when it absolutely doesn't. The fundamental skills that you need in the laby were already needed before the laby was ever even a thing.

As I said earlier, it's ok if you don't like it but please stop trying to make it out to be something that it isn't. Seems to me you're just wanting a game that requires brainless gameplay.

Different game play in different genres is a real thing. People liking some genres of games and not others or more than others is a real thing and very common. GGG trying to make Prince of Persia like game play in Labyrinth is a real thing. Prince of Persia is a different genre and a different game play from ARPG's. Some people disliking Labyrinth is different disliking Act 4 in that the genre of Act 4 is the same as the rest of PoE. I'm not saying that some people can't like Act 4 that like the rest of PoE. It is different because Labyrinth is a different genre from ARPG.

I see many threads of people not liking Labyrinth. Why didn't I see many threads of people not liking Act 4? I suspect that there are more people that dislike Labyrinth than Act 4 is the reason. The reason that is probably true is that Labyrinth (specifically traps) is a different genre from the rest of PoE. Some people that like PoE don't like the game play in Prince of Persia and hence don't like the game play in Labyrinth.

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Turtledove wrote:

I see many threads of people not liking Labyrinth. Why didn't I see many threads of people not liking Act 4?

Because you didn't have an agenda and weren't looking for them...

Yet another discussion with you I'm washing my hands of.

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Shovelcut wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

I see many threads of people not liking Labyrinth. Why didn't I see many threads of people not liking Act 4?

Because you didn't have an agenda and weren't looking for them...

Yet another discussion with you I'm washing my hands of.

The labyrinth is both boring and frustrating https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1600374

Labyrinth,the worst content ever made in POE? https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1602474

SET FREE ASCENDANCY POINTS (remove AC from lab) https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1609216

[Poll] It's been a month now, how much do you like the labyrinth/acendancy class/enchantments? https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1639251

Labyrinth sucks https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1599400

Labrynth = not fun https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1599118

Labyrinth an all difficulties? absolute horror, who has time for this? https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1654766

Lab is boring https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1654094

Labyrinth makes me want to stop playing. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1652039

The Labyrinth Reduced *My* Retention https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1648622

Labyrinth has killed any motivation to make new characters for me. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1650687

Ascendancy points can be rewarded out of Labyrinth. Lab is forced just to have a build https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1647982

Quitting PoE after years due to Labyrinth System https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1607115

My wallet will talk https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1642689

Im done https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1640022

Let's Talk Compromise https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1639840

Quick fix for the labyrinth: Orb of Enchantment https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1626083

Labyrinth killed the game for me https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1637861

Ready to say goodbye to an old friend. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1635252

Just When The Game Had Roped Me Back In, I Think I’m Done Again https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1631143

Labyrinth is trash https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1625607

The Labyrinth as a returning player. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1626681

I never want to play the labyrinth ever again. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1619098

After thousen of hours and dollars, i now feel like quiting https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1623311

The lab was the final nail https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1621003

Does anyone actually enjoy Labyrinth? https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1602524

Petition to get GGG to add Nascar-Style Racing to PoE https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1612436

The Labyrinth can imprison you? Are you serious??? https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1609752

Labyrinth = Worst addon ever https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1609842

No one can seriously believe that Act 4 had nearly as many threads as above, and I'm sure that I missed many more.

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Turtledove wrote:

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SaiyanZ wrote:

The way it is currently set up is that it's easier to run through the traps naked compared to using ES gear because of the percentage damage. Just take of your gear and use health potions and it will much easier going through traps than with ES. Poor design.

GGG has said that they will try to fix the ES problem with trap damage.

let's hope they fix the EB/MoM problem too