First Wave of Trade Improvements

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Sure_K4y wrote:

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karving47 wrote:

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ogresamanosuke wrote:

. Hoping this will include giving like 2 to all accounts.

this

if i have to spend 1 dolar on any game i will not play it ...
and for those who say u dont have to trade atc ... u have to .. without it u cant do a shit

You can still trade without spending one single dollar, nobody takes that away from you. I have to wonder if some of you guys actually read the entire OP before pushing the panic button.

You can still trade for free. They do not gate trading behind a paywall.

As far as your unwillingness to spend even a single dollar on a game goes, well if you don't do it, someone else has to, think about it for a moment.

if u consider that 3rd party bulshitery as trading ... ok
but i dont, i see using 3rd party programs as boting/cheating as in ewery other games i have played

poe DONT have working trade system,... i could say the have none at all
trade chat is useles,full of spamers, imposible to trade here
searching for something for good price on forum without 3rd party programs is imposible

but because GGG is lazy in this direction they let it running...
(arent they using 3rd party sites more than thier own ?)
btw scion asc class still unanounced on https://www.pathofexile.com/ascendancy/classes after the weeks ...

So now they finaly relesed somethink looking as thier own trading system ... and hiden it behind pay wall .. congrats

be ready to loose big part of the comunity

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furycury82 wrote:

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GamerGoddessDin wrote:

Can we at least get a Premium Stash Tab Upgrade 4-pack with a discounted price? Like say 40-45 points instead of the 60 they would cost individually?

Really? $6 means not having lunch out 1 day and instead having a sammich at home and saving the $6 to by stash tabs. If the people falsely accusing GGG of making this game P2W put 1/10 the effort into saving/making a few $$, that they put into crying, the whole world would have premium tabs.

FYI, I soloed to 90 on my witch this league, and didn't trade a single item til lvl 85. Trading does NOT = winning.

Except you can't buy just 60 points. You can only buy them in groups of 50.

Not to mention some of us can barely afford to eat ramen while living at their parent's house because they can't find a job. (And believe me, I'm trying. I'm even working with my state's Vocational Rehabilitation system for help.)

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Except you can't buy just 60 points. You can only buy them in groups of 50.

It's not true, you can mail support and they will let you buy as many points as you want, without buying them in packs. Unfortunately officially shop has only those 50-100-200 packs, but in fact you can buy even 1. Or maybe you need to buy at least 1 pack, I don't know. But you can buy 60 or 110 if you want, that's for sure.

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davros70 wrote:

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Miazga wrote:

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davros70 wrote:

Even more for the people who are complaining, spend $5, get 50 points, today's micro-transaction sale is prem tab upgrade for 10 points. Upgrade all your 4 tabs and have change.

Not everyone here has mommies credit card to support the game, some have family and kids to support, not to mention paying the bills and mortgage for the house.

I do have family, bills for the house and a mortgage too.

I do understand that for 'some' there are harder financial situations.

But lets be real here.

You cant play PoE on a shithouse computer.
You do require something half decent.
To have something half decent requires a reasonable financial investment..

Most people that are not *supporting* the game at the moment WILL have purchased a game on sale for $5-10 that they've played for a few hours and got sick of, yet will stick with this for weeks/months and not even consider that option of spending a little on it.


Good on you for supporting the game though, I do give you +1 on that.

I support the microstransaction upgrade response from GGG. I already have a lot of premiums, but will upgrade my normal ones now to say thank you.

It would be nice to hear more replies from GGG in terms of the future of trading. This has been the topic on the news announcements that had the most replies, which should tell GGG something. I do not mind giving GGG $ for a great game, and like me others feel the same, and like me they feel that way simply because of the ethos of the f2p model they adopted, and as such we hold up that ethos for all other game companies to follow. As such I encourage anyone who can spare a little to purchase an upgrade today to say thank you!

I have played many games over the years and saw a trend and with that Trend more and more Ftp started gating things. People always say the same dam thing " No one is forcing you to pay or to play" Here is the thing though, when a company says it would not gate things behind a paywall that is essential for the game and the company decides to do it.. what do you think will happen next? Trading is one major downfall in this great game. I love for it to be improved for all to use. Not just those that pay. I am not saying this really is a play to win game but this first wave is good and bad. Good that GGG is trying to make an effort, bad because they broke their own ethical code for fair transactions. When company's start breaking their own standard there is a problem. When the company do not see how this is a problem guess what? I move on.

I am not hating on the improvements nor the time it took them to actually acknowledge that TRADING is crap in this game. I know it's the first wave blah blah blah, but how long did they take to get to a point where they had to do something for trading? 3 long years. 3rd-party anything is a BIG NO.

People are making the mistake its about the money. IT IS NOT ABOUT THE MONEY FOR SOME. It is the principle of a gaming company doing what they said they would never do and without further word on why they did it.

Have a good day all and please try not bash people for their opinions.

I didn't care too much about this change till the moment that they place, on the day after of the announcement, a promotion on premium tabs.
I would say that all this mess might impact GGG and Path of Exile reputation on the long run. I don't believe that many people will stop playing now, since on Friday there is an expansion coming. In the long run, if people will get the feeling that they are in disadvantage over other players, they might just switch to another game (let's be honest, there is dozens of games similar to POE).

My opinion on this change is that this is as much P2W as the normal stashes. A player with 4 stashes has disadvantage over one with 8. I don't see that much big deal, since the difference is very little.

Just one advice, money you can get from one day to another. Reputation, you can lose all in 1 day. Games like this live from reputation, not from money (if you have a large player base and a good reputation in the market you can easily get money from investors, banks, etc.).

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sharkh20 wrote:

I would give everyone one extra premium tab to start off for free as a trade tab. It just gives all the abilities of 1 premium stash. Or just change everyone's normal 4th stash into a premium stash.

This :)

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Ladylunar wrote:

I have played many games over the years and saw a trend and with that Trend more and more Ftp started gating things. People always say the same dam thing " No one is forcing you to pay or to play" Here is the thing though, when a company says it would not gate things behind a paywall that is essential for the game and the company decides to do it.. what do you think will happen next? Trading is one major downfall in this great game. I love for it to be improved for all to use. Not just those that pay. I am not saying this really is a play to win game but this first wave is good and bad. Good that GGG is trying to make an effort, bad because they broke their own ethical code for fair transactions. When company's start breaking their own standard there is a problem. When the company do not see how this is a problem guess what? I move on.

I am not hating on the improvements nor the time it took them to actually acknowledge that TRADING is crap in this game. I know it's the first wave blah blah blah, but how long did they take to get to a point where they had to do something for trading? 3 long years. 3rd-party anything is a BIG NO.

People are making the mistake its about the money. IT IS NOT ABOUT THE MONEY FOR SOME. It is the principle of a gaming company doing what they said they would never do and without further word on why they did it.

Have a good day all and please try not bash people for their opinions.

In all honesty, even if this was the first and the last thing they would ever do to improve trading, everybody would benefit from it one way or another.

Even if you are among those who do not own premium tabs, you will still a be part of the improvement, because the more people can sell items comfortably, the cheaper and faster they will be available for you to buy and play with. This is one thing that many players here seem to miss.

As far as the "first wave blah blah blah" goes, yeah, they sure have been waiting to do something, but once they start doing something it's still not good enough, as far as the general responses in this threat are considered. Make of that what you will...

Stash tabs have always been an advantage of sorts, now that they are a hot topic everybody starts complaining about something that was a part of the game for years on end, and all of that because they now add utility to something that simply looked fancy until now.

If I went over a couple posts in this threat, trading seemed to be nearly impossible for most people all the time, still they managed to get what they wanted. This looks like a lot of overreacting to me.

And I'll say it once more: As far as major updates to the game are considered, nobody has been left out so far. So why is it that suddenly everybody goes crazy about it?

I also have a lot of problems with that "pay to win" point of view. What is it that you expect to be "winning" in the first place? The only actual forms of competition in poe are racing and PVP, none of which are directly influenced by the amount of stash tabs one owns, if at all. So, aside of racing and PVP, we are all along for the same ride anyways, and the improvement in question changes nothing about that.

Also I can almost surely tell what exactly will be in the next waves.
1. Ability to search items in public tabs through either in-game UI or official website
2. Ability to make & accept offers cross instance / through website (even offline)
How do I know this?

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Chris wrote:

The new trading changes aren't in the March 1.1.0 patch - there are two reasons:
a) We're keen to deploy them as soon as they're ready. There's no real need to wait for the next four-monthly patch.
b) The new trading stuff is not ready yet. It's a major system overhaul and we're still working on it. I'm really sorry about the delay.

As for how it works, the current plan is a combination of public stash tabs (to make it easier to find items) and separately, an asynchronous cross-instance-website trading system. You can basically trade (without buyouts) across the game and website. The trades and offers are still there when you log in later, so it's possible to trade with offline people or people who aren't in your game area or are on their phone or work PC.

Post by Chris Wilson from 2 years ago. Public stash tabs are already done.
So next waves not only not make it better for regular tabs, but actually make it worse, because when this new trade system will be complete - it will make sites like poe.trade mostly obsolete.
Also I like that nowhere in the Chris post it's mentioned, that public tabs will be exclusive feature of premium tabs. GJ.

any indication on when(what time) the update will be implemented ?