[2.1] Life based EB CoE Wander | 70k GMP+Chain Kinetic Blast 4.5k life with Coil

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Edzilla wrote:
60%? Wow, that's insane - i'd like to know how you got those numbers.


It's largely due to the low base damage wands have. If you go pure phys, and even use phys auras and take Elder Power, then that means you get 50% of your physical damage added as extra elemental damage from the passive tree, Hatred+HoA is another 51%, then you have room for another Herald, meaning you're already over half ele before investing in anything at all, once you start getting gear with 30%+ WED on it, the ele portion just keeps growing and growing.

As for the large amount of physical damage on the passive tree for wanders, if you check again, you'll notice that's not actually as true as it first seems. There's the Shadow start, but the Shadow start has just as much ele damage as well. Then there's the Elder Power wheel. Everything else is generic Projectile Damage, or Wand Damage, which affects phys and ele equally. Since my build uses Crown of Eyes, I get another 250% or so of Increased Damage that applies to both ele and phys from Spell Damage. The Ele and Phys specific damage actually makes up a very small minority of the overall damage available, most of it is generic damage that works equally well on either phys or ele.

And even if that wasn't true, you can get almost 200% WED on rings, amulet, and your belt, which would outweigh the phys you get on the passive tree anyways. With that taken into consideration, and given the section of my guide where I break down why Wrath objectively provides more DPS than Hatred even on a mirrored phys wand, you realize that the 50%/50% damage split mentioned above is actually really generous, since other auras that you use instead of Hatred actually push things even more in favour of doing a majority elemental damage.

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Edzilla wrote:
Help me figure out how to convert it to ele, without going broke in regrets :P level 46 atm. I guess I want to do Essence Sap hybrid of your build. (something I worked up, for @level 90.)


Doesn't really look like you need to change all that much, I'd take the Elemental Damage start for the Shadow area, and skip Elder Power, much like you did in your level 90 passive tree.

Only advice I'd give is replace Mind Drinker with Soul Siphon. You go from +24% mana to +26% mana, and get +5 mana on kill, which adds up when you're killing dozens of enemies per attack. Remember that the leech doesn't actually matter much, even 0.4% leech will be enough on its own to cap your leech rate, any more leech after that will go to waste. So you don't lose anything by dropping that. Alternatively you can take Deep Thoughts instead, which is also a good option.

Also take Acrobatics, since you don't need to worry about getting enough ES to manage EB anymore.


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Edzilla wrote:
Also, if you are going elemental, why do you use a purely phys wand? Wouldn't a tri elemental wand be better?


That's just the way of hybrid wanders. The main reason I use my wand is because it has 85% Spell Damage + High crit + high attack speed, as well as a lot of damage. That's a very strong combination that's exceptionally difficult to find. Very few wands exist with that combination mods with high rolls that aren't mirrored items. And beggers can't be choosers. Since the majority of my Increased Damage is generic damage that works equally well for phys and ele, it doesn't matter whether the damage on my wand is phys or ele, all damage is good damage, whatever numbers higher might as well be the one you go with.

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Edzilla wrote:
Edit: Do you think Barrage is > frenzy with 2.1? Was just reading your previous post.


I honestly think Barrage was better than Frenzy in 2.0, it's been my go to single target for months due to how much nicer it is on mana(Although that's changed now that they lowered Frenzy's mana cost). So feel free to go for it, Barrage is a strong single target option. More DPS than Frenzy, but at the loss of the built in Frenzy Charge generation.
Last edited by Shotgun_Surgeon on Dec 16, 2015, 7:33:29 PM
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I honestly think Barrage was better than Frenzy in 2.0, it's been my go to single target for months due to how much nicer it is on mana(Although that's changed now that they lowered Frenzy's mana cost). So feel free to go for it, Barrage is a strong single target option. More DPS than Frenzy, but at the loss of the built in Frenzy Charge generation.


Ahhh ok, I was wondering why you didn't take Acrobatics, makes sense. Yeah, i'll pick it up.

I bought this wand and crafted crit on it, should I try to find one with IAS instead of phys or %phys?


I picked up Acro and Soul Siphon @ 90

Also - how do I get Frenzy charges without Frenzy? Use the Frenzy charge boots?
Mess with the best, die like the rest.
Last edited by Edzilla on Dec 16, 2015, 9:06:51 PM
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Edzilla wrote:
Also - how do I get Frenzy charges without Frenzy? Use the Frenzy charge boots?


The wand looks like a fine start, shame the crit rolled so low on it, means a well rolled Piscator's may very well beat it for DPS. But it shouldn't matter too much for the time being, most of your damage comes from Auras anyways, so levelling those is probably going to have the biggest impact on DPS. But definitely look into upgrading the wand in the future, as the league progresses, far better wands should start to show up for pretty affordable prices.

As for Frenzy Charges, I use Blood Rage, but that's only really an option once you're doing enough damage to instantly leech back up to full life on every attack to counter the degen, which should happen once your auras are levelled and you have a 5L or 6L, while levelling you should probably just periodically use Frenzy to keep charges up.
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Edzilla wrote:
Also - how do I get Frenzy charges without Frenzy? Use the Frenzy charge boots?


The wand looks like a fine start, shame the crit rolled so low on it, means a well rolled Piscator's may very well beat it for DPS. But it shouldn't matter too much for the time being, most of your damage comes from Auras anyways, so levelling those is probably going to have the biggest impact on DPS. But definitely look into upgrading the wand in the future, as the league progresses, far better wands should start to show up for pretty affordable prices.

As for Frenzy Charges, I use Blood Rage, but that's only really an option once you're doing enough damage to instantly leech back up to full life on every attack to counter the degen, which should happen once your auras are levelled and you have a 5L or 6L, while levelling you should probably just periodically use Frenzy to keep charges up.


So, I want like a wand with 12%+ crit chance, IAS, and good damage? (ele or phys) I'll look around for one to craft.

I really don't like the idea of running Blood Rage and relying on finding a pack to survive, from pack to pack. I think I will just use Blood Dance boots or just run Frenzy as my single target. Barrage does seem to do more DPS tho, even now.
Mess with the best, die like the rest.
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Edzilla wrote:
So, I want like a wand with 12%+ crit chance, IAS, and good damage? (ele or phys) I'll look around for one to craft.

I really don't like the idea of running Blood Rage and relying on finding a pack to survive, from pack to pack. I think I will just use Blood Dance boots or just run Frenzy as my single target. Barrage does seem to do more DPS tho, even now.


Aim for 10.6% crit or higher. 12% only appears on the 1.2 base attack speed wands, and those are too slow to be good. Imbued Wands cap out at 11.04% base crit.

I tend to have Blood Rage on my weapon or shield. So I can always weapons swap when I want to turn it off. But to each his own, certainly nothing wrong with generating charges some other way, although it does put a strain on your resists and life, and results in slightly less DPS, since a 20/20 Blood Rage does also come with that nice 20% attack speed boost.
Can I get a breakdown of the ~10ex cost?
how are u getting power charges am i the only one who dont understand how u build up the power charges?
how much of an impact does alpha's howl have on dps compared to crown of eyes?
Last edited by bendoverxnao on Dec 22, 2015, 10:34:25 AM
Hey dude, I was wondering what your opinion on this wand is. Should i remove the crafted flat phys and add attack speed if i can? Which do you think is better? Cheers.
Last edited by Mandibles on Dec 23, 2015, 9:35:46 AM
OP, I need your help.

I'm having a bad time sustaining pCharges with HoI + CoH + Assassin's Mark.

Some times I get one or two charges, but I can't sustain it IDK why. Any tips? Am I doing something wrong?

Looking foward your reply.

Yours,
Henrique.
" Que meus inimigos tenham vida longa para apreciarem minha glória "

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