The Awakening Item Page and Top-Tier Supporter Beta Access

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Ziiyo wrote:

^This

Lets look at the real BS here.

1: Most people have spend lots of money on MTX, lower level supporter packs and so forth. Due to the fact that I didnt get a shiny pack worth $1000 suddendly means that my contributoin is worthless? (thats how I and others feel)

2: BETA access is NOT about getting in and bug testing, lets be honest here. 90% of people who want access and who have access are using this time to refine builds that will give them an advantage over the content and game as they know what will work with all the new spells and skill tree changes. Thus getting a HUGE boost in the ladder.

3: Enough High Tier supporters QQ and suddenly GGG caves in and gives them access... tell me more BS please. I have spent a good amount in this F2P game, whilst I DONT DESERVE a Beta Key for this as it was my choice, I dont EXPECT GGG to hand them out to people who had a bigger piggy bank than myself.

4: Africa has really bad currency rates :O

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kaisinkh wrote:

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monkuar wrote:

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agbudar wrote:

some of these remarks my god wtf is wrong with you people if someone paid well over 1 k dollars to support they better dam well be testers of the game and it's not like they get a headstart after closed beta is finished everything will be reset again

at least thats what happened in the last closed beta right?

That head start is confirmation that it's pay 2 win though.

There should be NO 'head start'.

Everyone should be on a equal level playing field at launch.

Can you atleast like... learn to read. Seriously.

it's not like they get a headstart after closed beta

After the Close Beta finishes and everything gets wiped, how much of a "Headstart" are you imagining there would be anyway?

(Game Data before actual Act 4 release will likely be different from the final stages of the CBT and even then, info that would remain would most likely be archived/available for anybody to see)

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monkuar wrote:

Oh the irony.... I know the characters will be wiped, but it's about the KNOWLEDGE that those closed beta players will have.

They will know the monsters/bosses AI
They will know how to circumnavigate the new dungeons and main town better
They will know/understand builds more
They will know/understand the skill tree, etc, etc


It's not a clean slate when the server goes live.. It's an ADVANTAGE.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/advantage

any state, circumstance, opportunity, or means specially favorable to success, interest, or any desired end:

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Malone wrote:

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Serleth wrote:

They deserve a little something in return for keeping Wraeclast alive.

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monkuar wrote:

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Archwizard wrote:

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monkuar wrote:

Huh? This is actually a distortion of the objective definition of Pay 2 Win.... As I said earlier, just because of your own reasoning behind this idea that you think is good, doesn't change the fact or definition of P2W.

Let me explain it again and for one last time.

Pay 2 Win = Using real life money as an advantage over regular, non paying users.


Closed beta keys are now given out to certain supporter packs. These players will now have an advantage (for however long the beta lasts) over regular players. Until mid June I believe, right? That is a slap in the face to all the loyal POE players, and to the current supporting players who have donated hundreds of dollars but never bought a pack. Hell, they probably donated more many total than a pack and still haven't received the beta key.

How does it feel to be factually wrong?

Your definition of p2w is accurate, but the money paid in was not used for that purpose.
Those supporter packs were not bought with any intention, or any promise, of getting early access to future content.

And a word about the future content: it's not set in stone! Did you see how many things Chris said they are still iterating on? The vast majority of it isn't even available yet!

My god.

What are you talking about? The intent doesn't have to be there to make it Pay 2 Win..... It's how GGG handled it. 'These xxx supporter packs, will get keys'. They literally made their own intention (if that makes sense).

The vast majority of content that is being added just proves my point more.. These beta testers will have access to those bosses.. Know their AI, etc and be versed on how to kill them even faster and strategize around those monsters (bosses too) before the server goes live.. Just another advantage.. do you want me to keep going?

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Drumheller wrote:

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monkuar wrote:

Oh the irony.... I know the characters will be wiped, but it's about the KNOWLEDGE that those closed beta players will have.

They will know the monsters/bosses AI
They will know how to circumnavigate the new dungeons and main town better
They will know/understand builds more
They will know/understand the skill tree, etc, etc


It's not a clean slate when the server goes live.. It's an ADVANTAGE.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/advantage

any state, circumstance, opportunity, or means specially favorable to success, interest, or any desired end:

There will be an open beta before release.

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monkuar wrote:

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Serleth wrote:

There's a very key point that everyone in this thread moaning on about pay-to-play etc. is missing.

Absolutely nobody knew that the T1 supporters would be getting keys for their contributions.

Not even the T1 supporters.

This has nothing to do with a P2W advantage, and everything to do with GGG giving a nod of appreciation back to the people who put half a month's salary toward making Act 4 even possible.

Without the T1 contributors, particularly early on in this game's existance, do you think PoE would even still be around? Highly unlikely.

AFAIC, give them keys. I get to continue to enjoy this game because wealthier folk than I could care less about throwing $1,000 across the world. They deserve a little something in return for keeping Wraeclast alive.

Huh? This is actually a distortion of the objective definition of Pay 2 Win.... As I said earlier, just because of your own reasoning behind this idea that you think is good, doesn't change the fact or definition of P2W.

Let me explain it again and for one last time.

Pay 2 Win = Using real life money as an advantage over regular, non paying users.


Closed beta keys are now given out to certain supporter packs. These players will now have an advantage (for however long the beta lasts) over regular players. Until mid June I believe, right? That is a slap in the face to all the loyal POE players, and to the current supporting players who have donated hundreds of dollars but never bought a pack. Hell, they probably donated more many total than a pack and still haven't received the beta key.