The Awakening Item Page and Top-Tier Supporter Beta Access

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Drumheller wrote:

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JoannirLeoth wrote:

Yes, but Valhurien is still making a point: They won't give any comparative feedback

I'm still new in the discipline of game design (my project is 6 month old, barely), and maybe you dear Balance Bearer (^.^) have some kind of methodology that include a certain order of tasks, but I can't see any reason why letting early supporters or early players would hurt this process.

Middle to confirmed players feedback is indubitably richer.

I wish you well on your project!

I have not developed a game, but I have worked in software development for about 20 years. It is possible to collect metrics that provide information without a user actually writing out feedback. New players ARE key to a good beta test.

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monkuar wrote:

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Serleth wrote:

There's a very key point that everyone in this thread moaning on about pay-to-play etc. is missing.

Absolutely nobody knew that the T1 supporters would be getting keys for their contributions.

Not even the T1 supporters.

This has nothing to do with a P2W advantage, and everything to do with GGG giving a nod of appreciation back to the people who put half a month's salary toward making Act 4 even possible.

Without the T1 contributors, particularly early on in this game's existance, do you think PoE would even still be around? Highly unlikely.

AFAIC, give them keys. I get to continue to enjoy this game because wealthier folk than I could care less about throwing $1,000 across the world. They deserve a little something in return for keeping Wraeclast alive.

Huh? This is actually a distortion of the objective definition of Pay 2 Win.... As I said earlier, just because of your own reasoning behind this idea that you think is good, doesn't change the fact or definition of P2W.

Let me explain it again and for one last time.

Pay 2 Win = Using real life money as an advantage over regular, non paying users.


Closed beta keys are now given out to certain supporter packs. These players will now have an advantage (for however long the beta lasts) over regular players. Until mid June I believe, right? That is a slap in the face to all the loyal POE players, and to the current supporting players who have donated hundreds of dollars but never bought a pack. Hell, they probably donated more many total than a pack and still haven't received the beta key.

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monkuar wrote:

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Serleth wrote:

There's a very key point that everyone in this thread moaning on about pay-to-play etc. is missing.

Absolutely nobody knew that the T1 supporters would be getting keys for their contributions.

Not even the T1 supporters.

This has nothing to do with a P2W advantage, and everything to do with GGG giving a nod of appreciation back to the people who put half a month's salary toward making Act 4 even possible.

Without the T1 contributors, particularly early on in this game's existance, do you think PoE would even still be around? Highly unlikely.

AFAIC, give them keys. I get to continue to enjoy this game because wealthier folk than I could care less about throwing $1,000 across the world. They deserve a little something in return for keeping Wraeclast alive.

Huh? This is actually a distortion of the objective definition of Pay 2 Win.... As I said earlier, just because of your own reasoning behind this idea that you think is good, doesn't change the fact or definition of P2W.

Let me explain it again and for one last time.

Pay 2 Win = Using real life money as an advantage over regular, non paying users.


Closed beta keys are now given out to certain supporter packs. These players will now have an advantage (for however long the beta lasts) over regular players. Until mid June I believe, right? That is a slap in the face to all the loyal POE players, and to the current supporting players who have donated hundreds of dollars but never bought a pack. Hell, they probably donated more many total than a pack and still haven't received the beta key.

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Rostauf wrote:

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Valhurien wrote:

You're right, thanks for pointing that out to me.

Posted by Chris
on April 19, 2015 8:32 PM
Grinding Gear Games

Until you're selected by the timer, there should be plenty of streams of the new content to watch. None of the information is under NDA, so it's fine for testers to tell you about their experiences.

I didn't see any Streamer bonuses(in reference to bonus keys) mentioned or 1k cash mentioned there either...must be really tiny print in between the lines.

Right at the top... Bolded it for ya :)

We've received a lot of questions about what's going to happen when the Closed Beta starts tomorrow. This post is a short explanation of how that'll work. It also includes a copy of the first Balance Notes for the expansion.

When the countdown hits zero, the Closed Beta servers will become live. The Beta Invite Timer will then start selecting users at the rate of one per five minutes. As soon as we can, we'll invite Alpha testers and certain Streamers to the Beta to join the members of the public who are selected.

We'll be speeding up the timer over time and implementing additional ways for people to get access (fan giveaways, maybe some in-game stuff, etc).

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Ziiyo wrote:

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monkuar wrote:

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Serleth wrote:

There's a very key point that everyone in this thread moaning on about pay-to-play etc. is missing.

Absolutely nobody knew that the T1 supporters would be getting keys for their contributions.

Not even the T1 supporters.

This has nothing to do with a P2W advantage, and everything to do with GGG giving a nod of appreciation back to the people who put half a month's salary toward making Act 4 even possible.

Without the T1 contributors, particularly early on in this game's existance, do you think PoE would even still be around? Highly unlikely.

AFAIC, give them keys. I get to continue to enjoy this game because wealthier folk than I could care less about throwing $1,000 across the world. They deserve a little something in return for keeping Wraeclast alive.

Huh? This is actually a distortion of the objective definition of Pay 2 Win.... As I said earlier, just because of your own reasoning behind this idea that you think is good, doesn't change the fact or definition of P2W.

Let me explain it again and for one last time.

Pay 2 Win = Using real life money as an advantage over regular, non paying users.


Closed beta keys are now given out to certain supporter packs. These players will now have an advantage (for however long the beta lasts) over regular players. Until mid June I believe, right? That is a slap in the face to all the loyal POE players, and to the current supporting players who have donated hundreds of dollars but never bought a pack. Hell, they probably donated more many total than a pack and still haven't received the beta key.

^This

Lets look at the real BS here.

1: Most people have spend lots of money on MTX, lower level supporter packs and so forth. Due to the fact that I didnt get a shiny pack worth $1000 suddendly means that my contributoin is worthless? (thats how I and others feel)

2: BETA access is NOT about getting in and bug testing, lets be honest here. 90% of people who want access and who have access are using this time to refine builds that will give them an advantage over the content and a game advantage as they know what will work with all the new spells and skill tree changes. Thus getting a HUGE advantage.

3: Enough High Tier supporters QQ and suddenly GGG caves in and gives them access... tell me more BS please. I have spent a good amount in this F2P game, whilst I DONT DESERVE a Beta Key for this as it was my choice, I dont EXPECT GGG to hand them out to people who had a bigger piggy bank than myself.

4: Africa has really bad currency rates :O

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Serleth wrote:

There's a very key point that everyone in this thread moaning on about pay-to-play etc. is missing.

Absolutely nobody knew that the T1 supporters would be getting keys for their contributions.

Not even the T1 supporters.

This has nothing to do with a P2W advantage, and everything to do with GGG giving a nod of appreciation back to the people who put half a month's salary toward making Act 4 even possible.

Without the T1 contributors, particularly early on in this game's existance, do you think PoE would even still be around? Highly unlikely.

AFAIC, give them keys. I get to continue to enjoy this game because wealthier folk than I could care less about throwing $1,000 across the world. They deserve a little something in return for keeping Wraeclast alive.

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monkuar wrote:

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agbudar wrote:

some of these remarks my god wtf is wrong with you people if someone paid well over 1 k dollars to support they better dam well be testers of the game and it's not like they get a headstart after closed beta is finished everything will be reset again

at least thats what happened in the last closed beta right?

That head start is confirmation that it's pay 2 win though.

There should be NO 'head start'.

Everyone should be on a equal level playing field at launch.

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Archwizard wrote:

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monkuar wrote:

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Serleth wrote:

There's a very key point that everyone in this thread moaning on about pay-to-play etc. is missing.

Absolutely nobody knew that the T1 supporters would be getting keys for their contributions.

Not even the T1 supporters.

This has nothing to do with a P2W advantage, and everything to do with GGG giving a nod of appreciation back to the people who put half a month's salary toward making Act 4 even possible.

Without the T1 contributors, particularly early on in this game's existance, do you think PoE would even still be around? Highly unlikely.

AFAIC, give them keys. I get to continue to enjoy this game because wealthier folk than I could care less about throwing $1,000 across the world. They deserve a little something in return for keeping Wraeclast alive.

Huh? This is actually a distortion of the objective definition of Pay 2 Win.... As I said earlier, just because of your own reasoning behind this idea that you think is good, doesn't change the fact or definition of P2W.

Let me explain it again and for one last time.

Pay 2 Win = Using real life money as an advantage over regular, non paying users.


Closed beta keys are now given out to certain supporter packs. These players will now have an advantage (for however long the beta lasts) over regular players. Until mid June I believe, right? That is a slap in the face to all the loyal POE players, and to the current supporting players who have donated hundreds of dollars but never bought a pack. Hell, they probably donated more many total than a pack and still haven't received the beta key.

How does it feel to be factually wrong?

Your definition of p2w is accurate, but the money paid in was not used for that purpose.
Those supporter packs were not bought with any intention, or any promise, of getting early access to future content.

And a word about the future content: it's not set in stone! Did you see how many things Chris said they are still iterating on? The vast majority of it isn't even available yet!

My god.