The Awakening Item Page and Top-Tier Supporter Beta Access

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Serleth wrote:

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monkuar wrote:

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Serleth wrote:

There's a very key point that everyone in this thread moaning on about pay-to-play etc. is missing.

Absolutely nobody knew that the T1 supporters would be getting keys for their contributions.

Not even the T1 supporters.

This has nothing to do with a P2W advantage, and everything to do with GGG giving a nod of appreciation back to the people who put half a month's salary toward making Act 4 even possible.

Without the T1 contributors, particularly early on in this game's existance, do you think PoE would even still be around? Highly unlikely.

AFAIC, give them keys. I get to continue to enjoy this game because wealthier folk than I could care less about throwing $1,000 across the world. They deserve a little something in return for keeping Wraeclast alive.

Huh? This is actually a distortion of the objective definition of Pay 2 Win.... As I said earlier, just because of your own reasoning behind this idea that you think is good, doesn't change the fact or definition of P2W.

Let me explain it again and for one last time.

Pay 2 Win = Using real life money as an advantage over regular, non paying users.


Closed beta keys are now given out to certain supporter packs. These players will now have an advantage (for however long the beta lasts) over regular players. Until mid June I believe, right? That is a slap in the face to all the loyal POE players, and to the current supporting players who have donated hundreds of dollars but never bought a pack. Hell, they probably donated more many total than a pack and still haven't received the beta key.

I'm not arguing the definition of P2W. I'm saying it's irrelevant. You wouldn't even have a forum to voice your opinion on if it wasn't for them, particularly the ones who donated so big so early in PoE's development, nevermind a game to play.

GGG chose to give those people a nod of respect for keeping Wraeclast in existence. I'm fine with that.

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612 wrote:

Yeah, great advantage, you'll catch up in a day or two, like anyone else, so big deal. Amazing advantage concerning the cash they spent and that they are learning from unfinished product.

This thread and the one from yesterday:
"beta keys to random users only" - WRONG, I'M A SUPPORTER, I DESERVE A KEY
"beta keys to supporters" - WRONG, IT'S PAY TO WIN

I wonder what GGG will do tomorrow? Invoke some racism maybe? Or beta keys for women only cause of the disadventage of not pissing while standing? So many options...

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monkuar wrote:

There are no wipes on open beta (generally that I know). So that is irrelevant since it will be a live server.

Even if there was a wipe, they would have to leave that open beta up for as long as closed beta and some to even out the time lost we non-closed-beta players had.

They would have to literally refund us the time we lost to mitigate the Pay 2 Win they endured upon us. If that make sense.

What I'm saying it we would need reimbursement for time loss to equal out the playing field since we never got to play in that time period.

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Drumheller wrote:

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monkuar wrote:

There are no wipes on open beta (generally that I know). So that is irrelevant since it will be a live server.

Even if there was a wipe, they would have to leave that open beta up for as long as closed beta and some to even out the time lost we non-closed-beta players had.

They would have to literally refund us the time we lost to mitigate the Pay 2 Win they endured upon us. If that make sense.

What I'm saying it we would need reimbursement for time loss to equal out the playing field since we never got to play in that time period.

1. This is a video game. I think you're taking it way too seriously
2. Life is not fair. Everyone learns this at some point. Once you accept it, life becomes easier in some aspects.
3. I think it was said by GGG that nothing from beta (closed and open) will be kept into the release. It will be a full wipe.
4. I suspect there will be some content held until release that no one will see in beta.

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Drumheller wrote:

There will be an open beta before release.