The Awakening Item Page and Top-Tier Supporter Beta Access

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Josephoenix wrote:

lol... I feel for GGG, there is no way this is going "as planned"... although the plan was flawed to begin with.

Not sure if they can win this one, no matter what they do now.

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Mootthemad wrote:

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DalaiLama wrote:

logical fallacies: ep101

player 2 encounters said vaal in beta practices with it, if he finds it hard he can ask the other testers, look up on the forums, or streams, or video sharing portals

player 1 who is not in the beta does not encounter it. If he is watching a stream, there is only a slight chance the encounter will be shown there, and why would he look for it if he doesn't even know about it?

Fastforward: content hits prod, race starts, player 2 knows his way, player 1 gotta look up what the actual hell is he encountering right now..

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Mootthemad wrote:

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AdzPoE wrote:

You will all get into the beta in due time.

And you just pulled that out of your ass, as noone from ggg said anything like that.

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Munion wrote:

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Mootthemad wrote:

Which mmo had this buyin beta?

Most recently that I played, Archeage. Competitive pvp with a payed entry to beta/alpha. People were mad it cost so much, bet I never once heard someone say entry itself was p2w. Now other things that game did got pretty damn p2w lol. But I never heard alpha/beta payed access called p2w. That doesn't mean no1 ever said, maybe someone did. But it wasn't near the level of complaining seen here. Pretty much any kickstarter mmo sells beta access, I've yet to see that called p2w.

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Antnee wrote:

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Munion wrote:

I have never heard another closed beta with payed access be called pay to win. And these are games where you literally payed for something that listed a beta key...

Because there is some perceived advantage to being in the beta early. Perceived. Incorrectly.

I admit, it's kind of strange to have a hyped closed-beta while the normal servers are still running. Is there another example of another company doing this, I wonder?

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monkuar wrote:

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Munion wrote:

'He still would have known about vaal smash', Yea I'm curious where you grabbed this statement from? Out of thin air in the Himalayas? The player 2 WOULD HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE GAME. How would he KNOW abut the boss Mechanics? Your argument is literally worse than magic.

You're just throwing in random straws with no weight whatsoever, it's sad.

Non beta player in global chat: "Getting ready to fight Kaom for the first time, any tips"

A slew of helpful information (and some sarcastic responses) follows in global chat.

I don't recall seeing in any of your original analogies where Player 2 was prohibited from reading the forum/following streamers etc. If you did say that, then I apologize for missing it. If you didn't say that, then what you are saying about having no knowledge is like saying that only people who have climbed Mt Everest themselves would know that they need oxygen, and the rest who haven't climbed it during the Closed Earth Beta will probably die and have to restart at base camp.

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Mootthemad wrote:

Maybe there would be less complaining if ggg didn't lie and hype up everyone about the new act coming in april just to announce a buyin closed beta in april.

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DalaiLama wrote:

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monkuar wrote:

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Munion wrote:

'He still would have known about vaal smash', Yea I'm curious where you grabbed this statement from? Out of thin air in the Himalayas? The player 2 WOULD HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE GAME. How would he KNOW abut the boss Mechanics? Your argument is literally worse than magic.

You're just throwing in random straws with no weight whatsoever, it's sad.

Non beta player in global chat: "Getting ready to fight Kaom for the first time, any tips"

A slew of helpful information (and some sarcastic responses) follows in global chat.

I don't recall seeing in any of your original analogies where Player 2 was prohibited from reading the forum/following streamers etc. If you did say that, then I apologize for missing it. If you didn't say that, then what you are saying about having no knowledge is like saying that only people who have climbed Mt Everest themselves would know that they need oxygen, and the rest who haven't climbed it during the Closed Earth Beta will probably die and have to restart at base camp.