The Awakening Item Page and Top-Tier Supporter Beta Access

my beautiful imagetic contribution to the fray was axed by an admin

*shakes fist to admins general direction*

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mhyoung wrote:

my beautiful imagetic contribution to the fray was axed by an admin

*shakes fist to admins general direction*

Dreams... was hilarious

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xPiranha wrote:

theres always gonna be desync lets get that clear

all the kool boss fights

all the kool uniques.

GGG has a solution that will eliminate the root cause of the desync.

They have also said that not all of act IV is in the beta - I haven't followed the spoilers, but I would think that would mean not all of the nine bosses are in the beta to fight. (I could be wrong on that)

Chris has stated that not all the new uniques are in the beta, and that they stripped them out of the beta patch, so they can't be datamined either.

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Toksic wrote:

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mhyoung wrote:

my beautiful imagetic contribution to the fray was axed by an admin

*shakes fist to admins general direction*

Dreams... was hilarious

oh you... ;)

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AdzPoE wrote:

You will all get into the beta in due time.

And you just pulled that out of your ass, as noone from ggg said anything like that.

I have never heard another closed beta with payed access be called pay to win. And these are games where you literally payed for something that listed a beta key...

edit* and obviously i mean beta access itself being called pay to win. Plenty of games in beta have been called pay 2 win themselves due to cash shop models =P

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Munion wrote:

I have never heard another closed beta with payed access be called pay to win. And these are games where you literally payed for something that listed a beta key...

Yea.. are thoose games starting competitive leagues with nice and fresh ladders after said beta ends?

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Munion wrote:

I have never heard another closed beta with payed access be called pay to win. And these are games where you literally payed for something that listed a beta key...

Because there is some perceived advantage to being in the beta early. Perceived. Incorrectly.

I admit, it's kind of strange to have a hyped closed-beta while the normal servers are still running. Is there another example of another company doing this, I wonder?

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Mootthemad wrote:

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Munion wrote:

I have never heard another closed beta with payed access be called pay to win. And these are games where you literally payed for something that listed a beta key...

Yea.. are thoose games starting competitive leagues with nice and fresh ladders after said beta ends?

Any mmo where competitive players take world firsts seriously. May not be an official ladder, but if you think it isn't a serious competition then you are crazy. Any pvp competive mmo. Competition does not only exist in official ladders.

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monkuar wrote:

Let's talk about vaal the boss for example.

Player 1 Starts the new league fresh and gets to vaal, dies from vaal smash because he had no idea that, that boss had that skill.

Player 2 Starts the new league (but had closed beta for 3 months and knows all all about vaal and his vaal smash skill). He dodges the smash and get's ahead of player 1 in the ladder.


Boom. Advantage and Pay 2 Win. (Especially since they've included supporters access to beta). Same logic applies here but with the new bosses in act 4.

Your example is logical and makes good sense at first look. It is incomplete though:

Player 2 - does have a slight advantage in being able to practice moving away from the Vaal smash with that character and his current movespeed and move skills(boots, gear% boost etc).

Player 1- can watch videos/streams of Vaal smash and get the gist of dodging it.
Player 1 - can read about Vaal smash and know to dodge it.

Here's the real proof of the flaw in your advantage argument"

Player 2 keeps getting killed because of falling rocks, because they rely solely on what she learns herself.

Player 1 reads in the forum about
A) getting close to Vaal when rocks fall
B) small rocks that do no damage showing likely place that a big rock is about to fall
Player 1 survives many more Vaal battles than player 2.

Player 2 could practice against vaal smash and read the forums, follow the streamers etc. BUT -

Player 1 can watch a different streamer or read another source of information every time player 2 is "practicing" against Vaal. If this is the case, than Player 1 will always have the advantage.

Information is real power, and the information of many outweighs the information of the few, or the one.