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" monkuar wrote: " Charan wrote: " monkuar wrote: Also, if any one the real supporters showed ANY TYPE OF COMPASSION they would donate or give their KEY back to GGG because they don't want to hinder the equal level playing field. I offered, actually. I will be away for a few weeks in May and felt my access was wasted. I also know people I'd rather be in the beta than myself, good people who really test thoroughly. No go. So don't go assuming otherwise. Well I only assumed because I didn't know. Now that I know, I actually respect that you did that. Hopefully you kind of understand my position and opinion on this CB 'PW2' thing though. It just doesn't seem right to me that GGG would do something like this, that's all. Monkuar gets beta invite, stops posting cuz satisfied noun: escapism the tendency to seek distraction and relief from unpleasant realities, especially by seeking entertainment or engaging in fantasy.	Posted by Toksic#4701 on Apr 23, 2015, 7:53:07 PM Quote this Post
" AdzPoE wrote: " monkuar wrote: Nope. It's the fact that he let supporters into the beta that donated over a certain threshold. That was inappropriate and by the purest form literally P2W. Especially since the new leagues and the ladder that goes with it will be competitive. Obviously CB players will have an advantage. It's not fair and it's disrespectful to us loyal players who have been here far longer than most supporters but just havn't donated over $1,000... I'm so sorry for not being able to donate that much, I really am. I wish I could, I really do. Grandmaster was $500. I was using $1,000 as an figure of speech. But yeah you're right, 500 is the threshold? Not sure, the fact is: YOU SPEND OR HAVE SPENT MONEY = ACCESS TO CB = NOT OK. "Good thing they nerfed the carto, it wasn't fun to find one in every map." - Haborym Last edited by monkuar#2123 on Apr 23, 2015, 7:54:18 PM	Posted by monkuar#2123 on Apr 23, 2015, 7:53:09 PM Quote this Post
" monkuar wrote: Funny thing is, even biblical verses are proving their behavior. " For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs. We the players, are the griefs. GGG giving beta key access to $ supporters is just the beginning. What is next? Hopefully this is the furthest they will go. Because quite frankly, anything further than this and it's just a lost arc at that point. Pun Intended. You are semi-correct with your biblical analogy. Look at those with the most grief. Could they be the ones piercing themselves with grief? Here's another biblical verse to ponder - out of context, it is one of the most difficult things to reconcile with everything else in the New Testament. Even Priests have difficulty explaining it: "For whoever has, to him more shall be given, and he will have an abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has shall be taken away from him." In context, it makes much more sense: That day Jesus went out of the house and was sitting by the sea. 2And large crowds gathered to Him, so He got into a boat and sat down, and the whole crowd was standing on the beach. 3And He spoke many things to them in parables, saying, “Behold, the sower went out to sow; 4and as he sowed, some seeds fell beside the road, and the birds came and ate them up. 5“Others fell on the rocky places, where they did not have much soil; and immediately they sprang up, because they had no depth of soil. 6“But when the sun had risen, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away. 7“Others fell among the thorns, and the thorns came up and choked them out. 8“And others fell on the good soil and yielded a crop, some a hundredfold, some sixty, and some thirty. 9“He who has ears, let him hear.” An Explanation 10And the disciples came and said to Him, “Why do You speak to them in parables?” 11Jesus answered them, “To you it has been granted to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been granted. 12“For whoever has, to him more shall be given, and he will have an abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has shall be taken away from him. 13“Therefore I speak to them in parables; because while seeing they do not see, and while hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. 14“In their case the prophecy of Isaiah is being fulfilled, which says, ‘YOU WILL KEEP ON HEARING, BUT WILL NOT UNDERSTAND; YOU WILL KEEP ON SEEING, BUT WILL NOT PERCEIVE; 15FOR THE HEART OF THIS PEOPLE HAS BECOME DULL, WITH THEIR EARS THEY SCARCELY HEAR, AND THEY HAVE CLOSED THEIR EYES, OTHERWISE THEY WOULD SEE WITH THEIR EYES, HEAR WITH THEIR EARS, AND UNDERSTAND WITH THEIR HEART AND RETURN, AND I WOULD HEAL THEM.’ PoE Origins - Piety's story http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2081910	Posted by DalaiLama#6738 on Apr 23, 2015, 7:53:25 PM Quote this Post
" Charan wrote: " monkuar wrote: Also, if any one the real supporters showed ANY TYPE OF COMPASSION they would donate or give their KEY back to GGG because they don't want to hinder the equal level playing field. I offered, actually. I will be away for a few weeks in May and felt my access was wasted. I also know people I'd rather be in the beta than myself, good people who really test thoroughly. No go. So don't go assuming otherwise. Since PoE is now pay to win, I fully expect Charan to be #1 on all ladders and win all races in the six months after 2.0 is live. ;)	Posted by Drumheller#5380 on Apr 23, 2015, 7:54:26 PM Quote this Post
There is no advantage to be gained from participating in this beta. None. If there was an NDA, then I could see this as being... kinda... I dunno, questionable? I guess. But, there isn't. You can barely escape the flood of very specific information about the new features, rebalances, and hell, even monster-science. It's goddamn everywhere. There are no secrets. I just don't see the advantage in that. A comprehensive, easy on the eyes loot filter: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1245785 Need a chill group exiles to hang with? Join us: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1251403	Posted by Antnee#4468 on Apr 23, 2015, 7:55:17 PM Quote this Post
" monkuar wrote: " AdzPoE wrote: " monkuar wrote: Nope. It's the fact that he let supporters into the beta that donated over a certain threshold. That was inappropriate and by the purest form literally P2W. Especially since the new leagues and the ladder that goes with it will be competitive. Obviously CB players will have an advantage. It's not fair and it's disrespectful to us loyal players who have been here far longer than most supporters but just havn't donated over $1,000... I'm so sorry for not being able to donate that much, I really am. I wish I could, I really do. Grandmaster was $500. I was using $1,000 as an figure of speech. But yeah you're right, 500 is the threshold? Not sure, the fact is: YOU SPEND OR HAVE SPENT MONEY = ACCESS TO CB = NOT OK. The premise of a supporter pack is not built around early access to future betas, I really wish you could grasp that. Make Things For Smile!	Posted by AdzPoE#5624 on Apr 23, 2015, 7:56:06 PM Quote this Post
" Toksic wrote: Monkuar gets beta invite, stops posting cuz satisfied I wouldn't touch that key or click on the redeem button with a 20 foot pole. It would go against everything I'm saying in this thread and it would be foolish. "Good thing they nerfed the carto, it wasn't fun to find one in every map." - Haborym	Posted by monkuar#2123 on Apr 23, 2015, 7:58:36 PM Quote this Post
" monkuar wrote: " Toksic wrote: Monkuar gets beta invite, stops posting cuz satisfied I wouldn't touch that key or click on the redeem button with a 20 foot pole. It would go against everything I'm saying in this thread and it would be foolish. So, what exactly are you trying to achieve here? Make Things For Smile!	Posted by AdzPoE#5624 on Apr 23, 2015, 7:59:45 PM Quote this Post
" AdzPoE wrote: threshold? Not sure, the fact is: YOU SPEND OR HAVE SPENT MONEY = ACCESS TO CB = NOT OK. The premise of a supporter pack is not built around early access to future betas, I really wish you could grasp that. Really? Is not? Then why is it NOW? "Good thing they nerfed the carto, it wasn't fun to find one in every map." - Haborym Last edited by monkuar#2123 on Apr 23, 2015, 8:00:14 PM	Posted by monkuar#2123 on Apr 23, 2015, 8:00:06 PM Quote this Post
" monkuar wrote: " Toksic wrote: Monkuar gets beta invite, stops posting cuz satisfied I wouldn't touch that key or click on the redeem button with a 20 foot pole. It would go against everything I'm saying in this thread and it would be foolish. I'll let you in on a little secret-- and I know you'll see this as antagonistic, but it really isn't. When you're older, shit like this just doesn't stick. A comprehensive, easy on the eyes loot filter: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1245785 Need a chill group exiles to hang with? Join us: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1251403	Posted by Antnee#4468 on Apr 23, 2015, 8:01:14 PM Quote this Post