A potential change I'm keen to hear your thoughts on

i think fluffy's point was that you will need something like pledge of hands to make mom work in lieu of the current EB. But I think I agree that CoD is still going to be pretty good (with or without EB). EB at least still makes use of the ES on CoD as mana shield, and keeping it replenished while fighting may be a non-issue if your mana regen (or mana leech) is good enough and you arnt reserving 100% of your mana. It will just be a buffer as you enter combat in such situations, though it will probably be more efficient to just not take EB.

You know, I'm increasingly convinced that given the precise new wording of EB, and given how it works under the new wording, Blood Magic should now have skills pay energy shield instead of life (to be clear, I mean that it should do this when you do not take EB).

If this does not happen, then I can't comprehend why "energy shield protects mana instead of life" suddenly makes energy shield able to pay mana costs.

Either an additional sentence should be added to EB ("Mana costs are now paid with energy shield before mana"), or add an opposite sentence to the blood magic keystone, because given this change, the wording on Blood Magic directly implies that energy shield should be used before life to pay mana->life costs.

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LostForm wrote:

i think fluffy's point was that you will need something like pledge of hands to make mom work in lieu of the current EB.

Yeah, this is one of my worries too. Casters with their already limited defenses may need Pledge of Hands to make a number of interesting builds and Pledge prices will probably climb even higher if the new EB makes it into 2.0 (assuming the staff doesn't get nerfed).

On the other hand, if the costs of AA get reduced because of the new EB, CI casters that want to run AA will have it better than ever before.

This shit better be reverted tomorrow lol

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LostForm wrote:

EB at least still makes use of the ES on CoD as mana shield, and keeping it replenished while fighting may be a non-issue if your mana regen (or mana leech) is good enough and you arnt reserving 100% of your mana.

This is not how ES with the new EB works. Mana regen is now separate from ES regen. So unless you invest in Zealot's Oath and lots of life regen nodes your ES regen is exactly zero. To sustain ES now you need to go to all kinds of clunky builds like ZO+life regen or GR+leech gem. In both cases you lose a large chunk of survivability because you give up ways to regain life.

New EB is ugly and it encourages ugly builds to make is semi-work.

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dedoslav wrote:

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LostForm wrote:

EB at least still makes use of the ES on CoD as mana shield, and keeping it replenished while fighting may be a non-issue if your mana regen (or mana leech) is good enough and you arnt reserving 100% of your mana.

This is not how ES with the new EB works. Mana regen is now separate from ES regen. So unless you invest in Zealot's Oath and lots of life regen nodes your ES regen is exactly zero. To sustain ES now you need to go to all kinds of clunky builds like ZO+life regen or GR+leech gem. In both cases you lose a large chunk of survivability because you give up ways to regain life.

New EB is ugly and it encourages ugly builds to make is semi-work.

That is exactly what I was describing. You enter combat with full ES, full mana. You get hit and ES depletes due to casting and MoM. You don't invest in ZO or GR so your ES (mana shield) stays depleted while casting and taking hits and you rely on your mana regen/leech just like as without EB. Making your ES a mana buffer at the start of combat, which may be more useful than a situation where you only have ~250 ES buffering your life without EB.

With the low base ES of cloak, getting a ES regen rate with ZO to sustain MoM is looking like a very large gear+passives investment. With no potions and no leech or giving up life leech to support, cloak + EB + ZO + 100% reserved mana does not look all that tenable.

To me it looks like mana is going to be the fuel for MoM builds, especially cloak builds, though EB might still be a decent skill point if you are already passing by it, depending on the rest of your gear and passives.

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Mareak_The_barbarian wrote:

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Fluffy_Puppies wrote:

It seems like MoM life casters will become a rich man's build just like low life builds.

lol, COD is not a rich man's build.

It's more like average man's build.

Herp derp you quoted someone else's quote that took what I said out of context. So lol at you.

Cloak won't work well without Pledge of Hands so in the future people will need both a PoH and CoD to run MoM / AA.

Next time know what you are quoting before you comment. You might not look as foolish if you do :)

The change sucks ass. Switch back.

First off your premise is wrong AA and CoD was never OP in the first place even at 40% MoM prior to 1.3 nerf.

No CoD user do UBER. For good reason.

OOM and complete dead in the water. No cast. No mitigation. No nothing. Dead.

Secondly game is about spamming once you get high levels. Not spam and wait till timer restarts. Thats boring and cut up game play.

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Aim_Deep wrote:

The change sucks ass. Switch back.

First off your premise is wrong AA and CoD was never OP in the first place even at 40% MoM prior to 1.3 nerf.

No CoD user do UBER. For good reason.

OOM and complete dead in the water. No cast. No mitigation. No nothing. Dead.

Secondly game is about spamming once you get high levels. Not spam and wait till timer restarts. Thats boring and cut up game play.

Dead on! My EB / MoM incinerator can do atziri, but uber? No way.

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Aim_Deep wrote:

The change sucks ass. Switch back.

First off your premise is wrong AA and CoD was never OP in the first place even at 40% MoM prior to 1.3 nerf.

No CoD user do UBER. For good reason.

OOM and complete dead in the water. No cast. No mitigation. No nothing. Dead.

Secondly game is about spamming once you get high levels. Not spam and wait till timer restarts. Thats boring and cut up game play.

QFT.
Aside from taking away all of casters defences the new EB is also terrible for its main purpose of spamming spells. Take a look at ZiggyD's attempt to make it work
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e57zMcioEnw
His ES keeps depleting just from casting his main skill. Imagine having MoM on top of it.