General Discussion - A potential change I'm keen to hear your thoughts on - Forum

this change will kill every mom build, after that no1 will play caster any more cause CI is no longer worth after block nerf before every nerfs I have used non crit dual curse FP with 50% block and spell block with 5 endurance charges and it was rly nice melee caster tank at all now shotguning gone so FP is useless and you nerf EB like this to make every caster in game useless just gz IGN: UgaBugaMajkaFaja	Posted by dynia6666 on Apr 25, 2015, 8:05:46 AM Quote this Post
I would like to suggest a reduced mana reservation node behind the new EB. The point is, instead of trying to make it easier to support the new EB, as per many suggestions I've heard/read, instead just let the new EB be hard to support/sustain, but ensure the advantages are worthwhile.	Posted by sesquipedalias on Apr 26, 2015, 2:10:25 AM Quote this Post
" Anseth wrote: Right now, 3 of my characters use EB to be able to run high-lvl AA, 2 of them also make use of CoD. I don't use this combo because it's insanely overpowered (which it isn't) but because other options are really scarce, especially in the upper part of the tree. There is CI, but high-ES gear is extremely hard to acquire and, as a result, expensive. In the case of my Templar, I could go for armour, but that would require giving up a lot of good damage nodes, and what I would get is a really average defense. So, unless CI becomes easier to build around or AA receives a rework, I'm really not gonna like this change to EB. Yeah, agreed. I really wish GGG would do something to make ES builds possible for people who do not have mountains of exalted orbs. This EB change is just going to force everyone who is not rich to never play a pure spell caster.	Posted by Khoranth on Apr 27, 2015, 7:57:50 AM Quote this Post
" Khoranth wrote: " Anseth wrote: Right now, 3 of my characters use EB to be able to run high-lvl AA, 2 of them also make use of CoD. I don't use this combo because it's insanely overpowered (which it isn't) but because other options are really scarce, especially in the upper part of the tree. There is CI, but high-ES gear is extremely hard to acquire and, as a result, expensive. In the case of my Templar, I could go for armour, but that would require giving up a lot of good damage nodes, and what I would get is a really average defense. So, unless CI becomes easier to build around or AA receives a rework, I'm really not gonna like this change to EB. Yeah, agreed. I really wish GGG would do something to make ES builds possible for people who do not have mountains of exalted orbs. This EB change is just going to force everyone who is not rich to never play a pure spell caster. I am curious how MoM and AA will work without the benefit of EB. It seems to me that Pledge of Hands would now be mandatory. I have actually respecced one of my EB/MoM/AA casters to drop EB and use Pledge instead of a rare wand and rathpith. Using the Pledge makes MoM/AA work nearly as well as with EB in terms of mana regen and I gained over 1k dps to boot. It seems like MoM life casters will become a rich man's build just like low life builds. I don't think it is good design to have three out of the five caster set ups be expensive. CI, Life + MoM, and Low-life all cost bank to do well. The only options left are the worst options. Life / ES hybrid (crap) and Life / New EB (also crap). Creator of the Praxis ring. Want to stop power creep? Gut crit chance and crit multi. Last edited by Fluffy_Puppies on Apr 27, 2015, 8:21:27 AM	Posted by Fluffy_Puppies on Apr 27, 2015, 8:20:49 AM Quote this Post
" Fluffy_Puppies wrote: " Khoranth wrote: " Anseth wrote: Right now, 3 of my characters use EB to be able to run high-lvl AA, 2 of them also make use of CoD. I don't use this combo because it's insanely overpowered (which it isn't) but because other options are really scarce, especially in the upper part of the tree. There is CI, but high-ES gear is extremely hard to acquire and, as a result, expensive. In the case of my Templar, I could go for armour, but that would require giving up a lot of good damage nodes, and what I would get is a really average defense. So, unless CI becomes easier to build around or AA receives a rework, I'm really not gonna like this change to EB. Yeah, agreed. I really wish GGG would do something to make ES builds possible for people who do not have mountains of exalted orbs. This EB change is just going to force everyone who is not rich to never play a pure spell caster. I am curious how MoM and AA will work without the benefit of EB. It seems to me that Pledge of Hands would now be mandatory. I have actually respecced one of my EB/MoM/AA casters to drop EB and use Pledge instead of a rare wand and rathpith. Using the Pledge makes MoM/AA work nearly as well as with EB in terms of mana regen and I gained over 1k dps to boot. It seems like MoM life casters will become a rich man's build just like low life builds. I don't think it is good design to have three out of the five caster set ups be expensive. CI, Life + MoM, and Low-life all cost bank to do well. The only options left are the worst options. Life / ES hybrid (crap) and Life / New EB (also crap). What is even more strange about this is the way they are making it significantly easier, and more affordable to gear up defense for a melee, while at the same time they are making it much more difficult, and expensive to gear up a spell caster. I wonder if there is some kind of "behind the scenes manipulative social experiment" going on.	Posted by Khoranth on Apr 27, 2015, 8:31:19 AM Quote this Post
^ I wouldn't go so far as to say it is an experiment, but they are definitely shifting even more to a melee focus. I'll only play casters regardless of any change in meta. Melee is such a borefest to me, regardless of game. Creator of the Praxis ring. Want to stop power creep? Gut crit chance and crit multi.	Posted by Fluffy_Puppies on Apr 27, 2015, 9:15:37 AM Quote this Post
i think you are making eb into ugly redhead stepbrother of mana and in the process break many caster builds, also i dont get why you insist on nerfing any defense mechanism for caster, mom was nerfed already in previous patches, now this gonna hit it even more and most likely arctic armor too on the other hand you want to put in things like that 25% dmg reduction fortify for melee and it seems like you want to turn away player from playing casters, whats this new expansion gonna look like? everyone playing melee? is that supposed to be fun? ggg please dont murder casters with this one bad change Last edited by tarantoga on Apr 27, 2015, 9:25:28 AM	Posted by tarantoga on Apr 27, 2015, 9:24:37 AM Quote this Post
" tarantoga wrote: i think you are making eb into ugly redhead stepbrother of mana and in the process break many caster builds, also i dont get why you insist on nerfing any defense mechanism for caster, mom was nerfed already in previous patches, now this gonna hit it even more and most likely arctic armor too on the other hand you want to put in things like that 25% dmg reduction fortify for melee and it seems like you want to turn away player from playing casters, whats this new expansion gonna look like? everyone playing melee? is that supposed to be fun? ggg please dont murder casters with this one bad change I would not mind this change too much, if GGG would also fix ES so you can actually play a viable pure caster ES build without needing a mountain of exalted orbs. EB/MOM/AA is basically a bandaid, that allows people to play pure spell casters, without being rich. So if they fix the actual problem (the extreme cost of ES viable ES builds) and remove EB/MOM/AA as a defense, then I am ok with that.	Posted by Khoranth on Apr 27, 2015, 9:48:02 AM Quote this Post
" Fluffy_Puppies wrote: It seems like MoM life casters will become a rich man's build just like low life builds. Rich people have better things to do than play Cloak of Defiance builds. Dreamfeather Elemental Cleave Ranger: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1087616	Posted by Tempada on Apr 28, 2015, 12:52:01 PM Quote this Post
" Fluffy_Puppies wrote: It seems like MoM life casters will become a rich man's build just like low life builds. lol, COD is not a rich man's build. It's more like average man's build.	Posted by ShowUs on Apr 28, 2015, 12:58:13 PM Quote this Post