A potential change I'm keen to hear your thoughts on
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Terrible change but I'm glad I have a PoH for its fat 100% mana. You dont even have to take EB normally and can run 25 AA.
Git R Dun!
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for any potential AA changes... could we maybe get it to be affected by mana multipliers? so, rather than always doing the specified mana drain, we could get it to take more or less depending on what we gem with it? as is, there's no detriment to giving it as many gems as we'd like and alternatively there is no way to reduce the mana cost with nodes or gems.
oh hey forum sig, been forever since i screwed with one of these...
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What about removing halth-regen / noregen map mod as well then? Or at least do not allow mana affected by it.
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" fair, but one also has to consider the point investment, EB and cloak + maybe 200% mana regen on tree(which also helps your attacking skills(spells) probably if we are being generous 30points, really unlikely it takes that many points, compared to as you say, ranger duelist, who to get decent life regen is 10-15, ondars is a bit of a trip since regen is mostly centred on the left of the tree, lightning coil downside of huge minus light res can be fixed 1 of 2 ways, an aura or light res absolutely everywhere, many would do both, very similar to sustaining mana cost of high AA+replentishing MoM, which leaves, attacking, which is either another mod, or a skill gem slot. he cost of running a high evasion life build with coil is a fair bit higher i think. dont get me wrong, without EB, casters are completely boned at the moment, just sustaining clarity and another aura would be a pain with this change, but i wouldnt say that casters defensive options are terrible, its just tht the optimal one at the moment is mom AA beacuse it helps ustain casts too which is really huge. just the cost of getting them is on the low end in terms of defences, sure 50 mana regen on ammy and rings, outside of cloak, you could use hybrid es ar/ev gear, and a few boosts in either of those isnt a bad idea. armour prolly better, a nice hybrid shield and you are fine. oh i just thought of something interesting, what if taking this node made zealots oath and ghost reaver apply at half efficency, but still work on life(as in life leach and regen woork 100% on life, 50% on es. bam, mana regen only matters for AA, mom is always up and if you go no AA you drop clarity and get an extra aura. and perhaps something like... gain 20 flat mana regen, all % mana regen is doubled if it really comes down to it(numbers not important, just as a concept). something like this could be interesting or something like regen a % of es regardless based on es recharge rate cooldown reduction honestly i HATE clarity, it is so dumb i literally cant comprehend, in its current form, it is pretty much unusable without eb, the reservation is tooo big on a normal mana pool, and by it self, it still is really bad, you need to get huge mana regen rate to make it worth. it cant actually sustain anything by itself, and it costs so much if you dont have eb Last edited by maoster on Apr 19, 2015, 11:34:55 AM
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Hmm, missed that part. EB would let you do No Regen maps, albeit slower.
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I have been running AA + EB + MoM this league, like most people it seems... why? Well, because it was cheap for a caster. It has nothing on the defense of my RF build (which was cheaper when I made it) and nothing compared to grace + determination with IR and endurance charges. It is just the first step in a good caster build. Really MoM is only a "cheap" investment if you use cloak of defiance. Otherwise it is a huge trip down to the duelist area (which is what I did, because I wanted to wear a real chest piece) which really gimps my damage.
I honestly think if casters had more options for defense and could still cast big spells that they would use it. I find it funny that when I left hardly anyone seemed to be using Eldritch Battery. It was kinda mocked. A few summoners ran the combo and were pretty tanky, and eventually casters just kinda adopted it. It is good for quick progression, but doesn't feel like the last stop for casters. Not to mention if they run any other major defense option chromes become a HUGE pain in the ass. Sure, you CAN run a lightning coil, but do you really want to try for 4 off colors? Didn't think so. I like MoM and AA because it gave me a way to stay alive while using caster gear. As many people pointed out, casters are used because they are cheap in a new league. They don't require a 20 chaos weapon to be worth using in maps. Every other class has a defense choice that works WITH their armor and socket types. Casters have MoM and AA.... that is about it. I can't think of any other real defense we have. Now you will be taking away CWDT enduring cry for casters too (but that one I agree with, though it sucks it is needed). PoE is about making choices. The choice shouldn't be use MoM or roll crazy amount of off color sockets. I can't exactly rock a incinerate, gmp, faster cast, spell echo, chaos damage in a belly of the beast easily. I don't think EB needs this big change. I think spell casters need options. It was a big choice whether or not you wanted to go to duelist for MoM. I think cloak of defiance trivialized that choice. At the same time, what other INT BASED chest piece do we have that drops common enough for the average gamer to wear? If you give us comparable options (doesn't even have to be OP options) I think you would see a lot more variety. Casters have it harder to get leech; have it harder to get defensive moves, and in return we get smooth leveling and good AOE spells. We don't need an overhaul of EB. Only incinerate users and flameblast users and a few other high mana spells really "need" EB. So many people feel obligated to take it though because we have zero other reasonable options for good survival, especially early on. Last point I want to point out, it does NOT help with spike damage (AA + MoM) it helps with fast little damage like void bearers. Leap slammers or any other big spike damage is our biggest weakness. I like that I can farm the docks and lunaris safely, but not so much the scepter of god. Other builds like max block can handle scepter of god better, but those darn titty bitches can really eat through them if their armor isn't high enough, and voidbearers are scary. We really just need more options. I guess I will have to buy a one way ticket to hell with your lives
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I said this before in this topic, I think the best way to remedy most issues would be to gate ES behind Mana.
If ES is behind Mana we can use Mana first and then ES second. This solves pretty much all the problems that everyone has discussed. It nerfs MoM a little as well as AA but still allows casters to keep the flow of battle. This way ES doesn't always have to be depleted if you have no way of leeching. TL;DR - Flip ES and Mana, Use Mana first then dip into the ES pool. Other than that everything works the same mechanically. |
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" exactly. You got ci, well thats an option but takes very well rolled rare gear that is extremely hard to find. So EB letting you use AA is a way to make your ES defensive as a caster. Right now on an EB character if I take off Cloak and put on one of these I get more mana regen than I do with the Cloak because it boosts my maximum mana, so a well rolled rare chest like this is a strong alternative option for an AA EB character, but you would have to travel all the way to MoM in the Duelist tree to get the rest of the defense Cloak gives you. Now if they make this change, the ES on these chests wont even give you actual mana, wont increase your max mana and hence your mana regen, so they will do nothing for running AA or giving you any sort of defense. Cloak on the other hand... not only has a Mana stat higher than any rare can roll but its got Mana Regen too, so its going to help you run AA and its giving you MoM neither of which a rare chest can do... and people think Cloak is used a lot right now? This change makes rare chests even less viable and pushes people more into Cloak than ever imo. Now I use chests like that Saintly for hybrid Life + Energy Shield with Ghost Reaver and an Aegis Aurora. Without the Aegis would I run hybrids like that? Probably not. Hybrid is like CI, you cant expect people to get chests like those I just posted to make it worth while and have like 4.5k life + 3.5k energy shield. So if CI and Hybrid are too gear intensive and youve now taken away the ability to run AA using ES gear as mana, that just puts rare es and es hybrid gear out of the picture completely for most spell builds and makes this "use a unique chest" bullshit worse than its ever been, youre just forcing people even further into Cloak or trying to 4 off a Coil/Belly. Thats a terrible, terrible thing, the unique chest situation is already retarded for casters. |
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