[OUTDATED] Zivko's WoE + BoR build - Seems like the build is dead

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reitaaaxD wrote:

How rare of a drop is Mortal Hope?

PS. Sorry for the non-related build question.

all RNG

I have done 51 runs so far, and no hope

yes ikr, hopeless

reitaaaxD
1 hope drops in 45 runs on average. that's the community average, there were post about it on forum and reddit and most people agree on 1:45. its rng though, i had 6 hopes in ~150 runs and a friend of mine had a 100+ run streak with no hope drop. if it drops, consider yourself lucky.

Destructodave
I agree, going for Fell the Week is probably a better idea then purity of flash if you're not running blood rage. You can use it for next 4 levels, and respec toward templar life nodes in 5 levels.
Also, check Symeon_Stareyes' post on page 47, if you didn't already. He's running Cleave on mana in acrobatics build and didn't need to take any additional mana nodes. Cleave mana cost is 9 compared to DS' 10 which makes it easier to support. Dunno if you can make a switch to Cleave once you get bor, but if you can, you'll get a lot more dps from just gems so you can postpone taking damage nodes and get all the defense nodes first, like bravado and purity of flesh you have to skip for now.

Just wondering, not sure if this was already asked or not but..

Why reason for not getting Ondar's Guile? it's only a dex node away, unless it is completely useless in this build (Since it's still evasion based, getting Acrobatics and Phase Acrobatics)

Hey exiles,

First I'd like to start with a big thank you to Zivko/Ogrec. I've been playing BoR+WoE since the WoE release date, but this is the first build i've seen to capitalize on surviability without neglecting dps. The eva base + high block chance + high life pool makes you feel like a super tank and with our trusty BoR+WoE combo you can deal some serious deeps (20-30k dps).

Here's my attempt on the build.
It utilizes Zivko's "sustain" tree and uses a mana based cleave.

With a mana based cleave you have faster clear speeds on map mobs with the Increased AoE gem. Simply switch your increased AoE gem out for a Concentrated Effect gem for high single target dps.

2 auras should be run at a time (3 at a time will be too little mana unreserved)
Hatred + (HoA || Purity of X)

Gear for reference


Tree for reference (level 82 Duelist)

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ogrec wrote:

reitaaaxD
1 hope drops in 45 runs on average. that's the community average, there were post about it on forum and reddit and most people agree on 1:45. its rng though, i had 6 hopes in ~150 runs and a friend of mine had a 100+ run streak with no hope drop. if it drops, consider yourself lucky.

Destructodave
I agree, going for Fell the Week is probably a better idea then purity of flash if you're not running blood rage. You can use it for next 4 levels, and respec toward templar life nodes in 5 levels.
Also, check Symeon_Stareyes' post on page 47, if you didn't already. He's running Cleave on mana in acrobatics build and didn't need to take any additional mana nodes. Cleave mana cost is 9 compared to DS' 10 which makes it easier to support. Dunno if you can make a switch to Cleave once you get bor, but if you can, you'll get a lot more dps from just gems so you can postpone taking damage nodes and get all the defense nodes first, like bravado and purity of flesh you have to skip for now.

Oh I have plenty of mana right now. Running Hatred+Herald I have half a globe, and I have these 2 items:



I dont have any mana issues atm, but I'm going to have ot start running a purity of some kind when I finally get a bor because I'm gonna lose a assload of resists. I might not have to get dynamo; I hope not. But, I'll prob. have to run 1 purity at least, hatred, herald. I've been running cleave pretty much the entire time, since it was buffed this patch. I've always liked cleave.

Oh, my bad on Bravado. I left that out. I actually have Bravado. I made that thing right before I hit the sack and left that cluster off, but I have it. I have 62/62 block atm.

Loving the guide! im able to kill piety in 9 seconds and i can solo dom no problems :D.
I was wondering when i would be able to do Atz... Keep in mind im really bad game mechanical wise.

Gear


Tree

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raadikins wrote:

Just wondering, not sure if this was already asked or not but..

Why reason for not getting Ondar's Guile? it's only a dex node away, unless it is completely useless in this build (Since it's still evasion based, getting Acrobatics and Phase Acrobatics)

This was asked a lot of times so i've updated Q&A section of the guide, you can check it out for answer.


xAvengingAngelx
If you never tried Atziri before, you should wait till you have high level immortal call and preferably 4500+ hp. Also, note that even if you have Temp chains+spell totem setup, you still need around 15k dps to kill all the adds in healing phase.

Ogrec I have another question. I apologize if this has already been answered.

Is there a reason why we don't take Fell the Weak? I mean, the lower path to this node also adds some % of life so we could consider taking them (4 points needed) for quite a hefty dps increase.

Also, been thinking, if we replace dual strike with cleave as our main, we free up 1 more gem slot as we don't need to use melee splash. Meaning we could easily alternate between added dmg or LL gem, meaning we are free from using blood rage. Or still use it, it just makes everything that much more safe.

What do you think?

This is how a lvl 100 skill tree would look like - 117 points
In a couple of levels (94) i would do a small respec, swap 2 life nodes from scion life ring and take 'fell the weak'. It's a very good node cluster and you can even drop 2 life nodes in 'purity of flesh' if you have enough chaos res without them to speed up progression towards Fell.

'Skill gem setup' section of the guide has Cleave setups and results posted by people following the guide who use alternate skill/aura setups. One of the players was able to run cleave on mana in acrobatics version of the build and reached 38k dps with it, so make sure you check original post cause i quoted his post there.
You can add life leech instead of added fire if you don't feel safe using blood rage, but you'll lose some dps and end up with lower clear speed then you would have if you were using blood rage. Switching gems a bit costs nothing so give it a shot and see if you find it better. Also, post results here if you test it, a lot of people are using Cleave and i'm sure they'd appreciate you writing down your thoughts, some might want to use the same setup.

Yes, your skill tree posted above is exactly what I had in mind. :) So cool.

My Cleave thoughts: I have decided to colour my BoR for cleave use and am very pleased with it.

Currently lvl 68 so didn't even take fell of the weak, not using Herald of ash atm (not enough mana yet), and am getting very good results. Currently at 21k dps, while using LL as a support and hatred+purity of elements. 30k when using added fire, considering most of my gems aren't even lvl 20 yet and none of them has quality. I'd call that pretty darn impressive. And I yet have to take a few dmg nodes, like in the scion life circle and templars + fell of the weak.

Awesome. Plus with cleave, you have that free slot for LL gem. I mostly opted for cleave as I like to have a built in aoe effect, which is instant (for ex. reave has to build), so you always hit everyone that circled around you (cleave has 180 degree hit zone).

For now I'm very pleased, that's all I can say. Awesome build.

Gear:



Edit: About the tree changes - nothing was needed to change. BM passive tree works perfectly fine. With taking hatred + purity I still have 138 mana left which is plenty to use the skills, so no BM is needed with cleave. As you can see in my gear, except for lazhwar and rainbowstrides, no mana equipment is used. Plus the lazhwar and rainbowstrides are a must for this build anyway, so really there was no adapting needed.

Edit2: Well haha, I've noticed that I forgot to quality my WoE. Since I've been relinking the axe the quality has reset and I have forgoten to re-q it. Now I do 23kDPS with same setup as above, 34k with added fire.