A Veteran's Proposal for a Self Found League - Poll Included!

Scrotie, so are you against even testing a SFL to see if there isn't a real stimulation of demand for PoE, both from new players joining and old players rejoining? I get the fracturing issue, but I don't get why there's much opportunity cost in testing it - even a non-ideal version of it (to the extent GGG believe there is an ideal version of a SFL).

Early days on the poll, but so far c. 90% of respondents are or might be generally in favour of supporting a test SFL, with c. 10% generally not in favour of testing it. Opinion polls have never held a monopoly on making good decisions, but it's a factor to consider.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

SFL supporters like to think they can make huge changes to the game, but somehow focus those changes solely on a particular play experience, and leave all other play experiences unaffected. It doesn't work like that, and it never will; everything is connected

As long as leagues are separate - pretty much yes. The only possible consequence would be a little less players in trade leagues but that would be insignificant as long as there are enough players for economy to function.

And IF trade leagues get left with that few players - why, that means GGG vision of the game plain and simple sucks.

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mrpetrov wrote:

Scrotie, so are you against even testing a SFL to see if there isn't a real stimulation of demand for PoE, both from new players joining and old players rejoining?

In terms of testing, I'm rarely against anything; I do a lot of PoE "for science!" things myself. However, I think GGG, like myself, predicts SFL wouldn't work out nearly as well as SFL supporters believe it would, for various reasons discussed earlier — and mind you, I'm mostly SF myself and definitely not any flipping tycoon. But I digress: GGG doesn't think it would work. The last step of thoroughness is to test to confirm that hypothesis, and I'm not really against eventually testing it; I just think GGG has other things it prioritizes higher, and I definitely don't blame them for that.

How about this: until desync becomes more manageable, yep, 100% against a test SFL.

I'm not sure if this has been posted but uh... isn't there a really obvious compromise to this?

Test SFL during downtime between 4-month leagues.

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Xendran wrote:

I'm not sure if this has been posted but uh... isn't there a really obvious compromise to this?

Test SFL during downtime between 4-month leagues.

As long as there's no will, there will be no way.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

5. The reality of splitting the community is evident in how Hardcore league was abandoned last season. Virtually no one played in the permanent Hardcore league anymore, due largely to the fairly popular Nemesis league. This was and is a problem, which if you've ever actually played in Hardcore League you'd definitely notice; compared to the other leagues, it feels like a ghost town, much harder to form connections with other players to trade or party.

Great post, but decided to move my reply to a related Feedback Forum thread where I think it's more relevant:

http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/856227/page/3/#p7334175

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

so why not just implement such balances changes on a global level?

Maybe because no one including the devs have any decent ideas on how to do that without effecting parts of the game that GGG will not change. They like the economy, they like the focus on trading. They will not fix this stuff. Why is that so hard to understand.

Link me to one quote that any dev has given that is a change to the game to help Self found play.

@RogueMage: I enjoyed your reply (edit: before you moved it). I personally believe the solution would be to reverse the current "new rules" situations — the temporary leagues should be kept vanilla, and the permanent leagues should get the new rules such as Invasion and Ambush, rotating every few months. Temporary leagues already draw new players due to the competition of a fresh ladder, and don't need the extra bells and whistles to keep them fresh.

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iamstryker wrote:

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

so why not just implement such balances changes on a global level?

Maybe because no one including the devs have any decent ideas on how to do that without effecting parts of the game that GGG will not change. They like the economy, they like the focus on trading. They will not fix this stuff. Why is that so hard to understand.

Link me to one quote that any dev has given that is a change to the game to help Self found play.

Strongboxes.

And progression recipes