[VIDEO]The Battle Mage/Witch - CI cold crit [NEMESIS]

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theamazingjojo wrote:

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Makavelit0t0 wrote:

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theamazingjojo wrote:

Your build anyway, suit yourself. I am done here.

im amazed how hostile you are and i dont get why you cant understand that this isnt pre 1.0 where i can get VP easy, its TO MANY POINTS FOR VP either you wont have no damage on maps and wont be able to leech enough or have damage and help your groups.

and i have already told you a bunch of times that i am not against VP but its to many points that in the end the trade off is not worth it, VP is on the shittiest spot it can be, before it was in the middle of the tree and not downside where i have to take over 20 points on dex to get, and the reason i went IR was to get tanky enough with my CI FP and later on on lvl 95 get VP and me bore safe when i already have damage. if you are having trouble understanding that and asking for "harder maps" which i just showed you a bunch of them and saying that VP is a must and still arguing VP, VP, VP is like telling a 10 y/o kid doing a slam dunk before he is tall enough to be able to do it

With VP you would not have died on a hardcore league .... and you say its not worth it. /facepalm. Its not a flicker strike build, every CI FP build has VP for this reason! Its just 7-9 points, you can get the few sacrificed es / dmg nodes later, instead of the other way round. If your survival is too much points, then kudos to you.

I got hostile, it was a bit rude I admit, but its only because after that lengthy informative post of mine, you told me my math was shit and that you did your own math which proved that you would have died in that case with VP, which is utter bs and I can give you a personal guarantee you would NOT have died. Ask anyone else who has your same build too, and you will see. Again in summary:- VP is instant leech, it doesn't matter if you hit a million targets because the damage-leech is on a per hit basis, and FP has never enough damage to oneshot on reflect, unlike flicker strike. Hence, you would not have died. And you saying a keystone which would have prevented your death in a hc league, and doesnt cost that much, isnt worth it ... does not make sense.

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Duckz wrote:

As far as the feud over VP, while I still think vp is very nice, it is extremely tough to get it with this build. I'm currently just in 66-68 maps now and 20% leech is working well but you need the fp damage behind it. If you sacrifice your damage using 7 point to get vp, you're going to hate life. I think at about lvl 92 you could get it, which at that point you'll be in 77+ maps anyways and need it. These nemesis mods still override things like vp substantially though and it get pretty sketchy even with a passive like vp that aided in immunity in previous leagues. That fractured double reflect necro mob was pure insane damage and idk many chars/build that would have survived that while your dealing ele damage.

I dont get you people. The guy has a sick gearset with enough dmg and ES coming from them alone (6900 ES with a low ES shield and helm), and you all dont seem to understand how VP works. It can kill you with flicker strike if you still do too much damage, on freeze pulse the damage is so relatively low that it will only kill on extreme cases like double reflect and -max ... IF you dont pay attention. He is only a few points away from it in the tree. That keystone is a godsend for FP CI.

if you think 6900 es plenty I don't think you're playing on nemesis. 10k es and 20k armour can still get you oneshot (not due to reflect) with certain map mods stacked up. Go look at bobslop gettting slapped by a bear with almost 11k es. I plan on getting it later on if I can get into the 90's and it sounds like the op will too.


p.s. your tears are delicious.

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Makavelit0t0 wrote:

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theamazingjojo wrote:

I dont get you people. The guy has a sick gearset with enough dmg and ES coming from them alone (6900 ES with a low ES shield and helm), and you all dont seem to understand how VP works. It can kill you with flicker strike if you still do too much damage, on freeze pulse the damage is so relatively low that it will only kill on extreme cases like double reflect and -max ... IF you dont pay attention. He is only a few points away from it in the tree. That keystone is a godsend for FP CI.

to be honest your math was wrong, you have to know the spell damage i do before you can even start using the math :/

i had 7.2k ES and doing 75+ maps less then 6k ES is not an option you will just get destroyed

I said you had 6900 ES, not 6k ... I was pretty close. Its funny you talk about destroyed when thats exactly what happened to you because you didnt take vaal pact ... lol ironic as fuck

to be honest your math was wrong, you have to know the spell damage i do before you can even start using the math :/

[Removed by Admin] Your actual dmg number doesnt matter. Your damage per hit is a constant, x.

You leech 0.088 of x
You take 0.18 x 0.25 of x in single reflect and 75 res = 0.045
You take 0.33 x 0.25 of x in double reflect and 75 res = 0.0825

You can see you are outleeching both single and double reflect, well with double reflect you are just outhealing it ... but you cannot die. And if you pop a topaz you keep overhealing. If you hit a million mobs with reflect at once *with vaal pact* you still dont die because all the leech is done on a per hit basis in the same instance in time, and freeze pulse doesnt do enough damage in one hit to kill you, ever. Even the sickest geared FP will not have enough dmg.


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why do you think EVERY FP CIer runs VP huh? I know how much spell damage you have ... you posted your tree and your gear. And to be honest, it wouldnt matter if I didnt know it. I gave you an example which showed you would not die with 500% increase and 900% crit multi, which you simply do not have. You have LESS. 273 max freeze pulse damage and 50% effectiveness from GMP is the same for every player using a 6link without empower. The math is pretty simple to understand, and there is nothing flawed about it, its not theorycraft but something derived from the game mechanics ... if you cant understand it you should go back to school and learn something. Crit chance, cast speed, enemy resists, screen dps, do not matter. It is raw PER HIT damage that matters with vaal pact, get this once and for all. A million hits at once dont matter because there is no cap like without VP and all the damage - leech - heal action is done on PER HIT BASIS in the same instance in time. FP does not kill you with one hit before the leech is applied, because it doesnt do enough dmg like a fucking 100k flicker crit would. (Flicker also has the issue of armor effectiveness being so low at that point, not just the very high raw dmg)

Here it goes for the last time ... you CANNOT die with vaal pact on freezing pulse vs single or double reflect when you have a level 20 life leech gem (you dont need quality with VP), you can die to double reflect with -max res IF you dont utilise sapphires and purity of ice. And you still have time to react and wait for your ES to regen. If you ask someone else in your group who has CI VP and is experienced with it, you will see why I am right.

http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/540894 --> ''Reflect is NOT an issue with this build''.

http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/488398 --> Back when PA / RF Was still disgustingly OP, he is doing tons more per hit dmg than you are, and look what he says

I managed to make myself nearly unkillable in the majority of the maps. This specc can play anything but Blood Magic. Yes, even Double Reflect -Max and No Regen maps without getting into trouble (gotta pay attention though)

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Duckz wrote:

if you think 6900 es plenty I don't think you're playing on nemesis. 10k es and 20k armour can still get you oneshot (not due to reflect) with certain map mods stacked up. Go look at bobslop gettting slapped by a bear with almost 11k es. I plan on getting it later on if I can get into the 90's and it sounds like the op will too.


p.s. your tears are delicious.

I never said 6900 ES is a lot ... I consider 9k+ a lot ... I said he has high %ES from his tree and with shit helm / shield ES he has 6900 (7200 he said) ES, which is pretty good. Few upgrades it will go up to 8.5k+ easily.

A bear doesnt do 11k damage in one hit ... so if you cant leech the dmg it does back you have a shitty build and should not be running CI. Or, as I stated already, should have VP because it has no downside to it with CI and is the best keystone ever. Learn what 'instant leech' means. A high ES pool is good to have, but if you cant get by on a CI with around 7k ES you are just bad, sorry. Not even carnage with vuln and 2xdmg and extra ele -res ... which is a close to impossible spawn ... hits for that much after some armor and res, in 1 hit.

10k es and 20k armour can still get you oneshot (not due to reflect) with certain map mods stacked up. --> Complete bs. Do you know what oneshot means? What even hits for 10k in one hit before mitigation? ASSUMING you even have no mitigation of any form whatsoever. I can only think of dominus' hand of god, but that has wrecked Kaoms hp builds with huge armor and a topaz flask, its just retarded dmg.

My tears? How childish of you ... I laugh at your massive ignorance, only idiots and noobs run CI without VP. Show me a top CI player without it. And who isnt a totem or trap build of course.

You just made my day. Rofl Rofl

Really ? I though the 20%Q mana leech would had been enough to subtain the mana and as for alpha's howl since u are running IR I thought the extra evasions would compensate for the missing ES, so how do would I improve dmg w/o compromising survival in the long run ? Through gear and skill nodes only ? I dont think I can find a better wand than the one you have , hell I can't even find one close than the one you have at least for now or maybe I should have enough dmg already I guess I'll just try it and see current witch is 72

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Andreanne wrote:

Really ? I though the 20%Q mana leech would had been enough to subtain the mana and as for alpha's howl since u are running IR I thought the extra evasions would compensate for the missing ES, so how do would I improve dmg w/o compromising survival in the long run ? Through gear and skill nodes only ? I dont think I can find a better wand than the one you have , hell I can't even find one close than the one you have at least for now or maybe I should have enough dmg already I guess I'll just try it and see current witch is 72

what lvl are your gems?

what level would i need ? i can probly use level 20 ones since you only need 109 des i think ? or something close to that

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Andreanne wrote:

what level would i need ? i can probly use level 20 ones since you only need 109 des i think ? or something close to that

well obv you would want lvl 20 gems, but I thought maybe you were wondering where you could pick up damage from, and fp is huge when the gem levels.

i haven't started yet im gonna do so tommorow but i am always in the search of improving dmg so i was just wondering

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Andreanne wrote:

i haven't started yet im gonna do so tommorow but i am always in the search of improving dmg so i was just wondering

alpha's howl = terribad choice

You need the ES from the helm, you dont really need 10k ES like this terribad guy is saying so he doesnt get one shot from a bear with 10k ROFLS, but you need in excess of 6-7k easy for an endgame build (high 70ish maps).

Dream fragments is an amazing ring, it has everything for this build. You need one.

Damage from FP is always getting better and better as you level, if you cant get a good wand / shield try to squeeze out as much as you can from the tree. Do not obsess too much on dmg at the expense of ES or other important things though, Freeze pulse shotguns with 5 projectiles with GMP at a very decent projectile speed, and good base crit and cast speed. Tooltip dps is very nonindicative of FP's power, its very strong for both packs and single target.

Get Vaal Pact. The best CI FP players use vaal pact. It saves your ass so many times, (not just makes you literally immune to any reflect out of -max), thats its a godsend. There is no downside to vaal pact unlike with a life build or a low life / es build, because you are immune to chaos damage and you can regen out of combat in extreme cases where you take too much damage at the very end of a fight, or are bleeding without a staunching flask, etc. Plus you cant use flasks to recoup ES anyway.

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theamazingjojo wrote:

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Andreanne wrote:

i haven't started yet im gonna do so tommorow but i am always in the search of improving dmg so i was just wondering

alpha's howl = terribad choice

You need the ES from the helm, you dont really need 10k ES like this terribad guy is saying so he doesnt get one shot from a bear with 10k ROFLS, but you need in excess of 6-7k easy for an endgame build (high 70ish maps).

Dream fragments is an amazing ring, it has everything for this build. You need one.

Damage from FP is always getting better and better as you level, if you cant get a good wand / shield try to squeeze out as much as you can from the tree. Do not obsess too much on dmg at the expense of ES or other important things though, Freeze pulse shotguns with 5 projectiles with GMP at a very decent projectile speed, and good base crit and cast speed. Tooltip dps is very nonindicative of FP's power, its very strong for both packs and single target.

Get Vaal Pact. The best CI FP players use vaal pact. It saves your ass so many times, (not just makes you literally immune to any reflect out of -max), thats its a godsend. There is no downside to vaal pact unlike with a life build or a low life / es build, because you are immune to chaos damage and you can regen out of combat in extreme cases where you take too much damage at the very end of a fight, or are bleeding without a staunching flask, etc. Plus you cant use flasks to recoup ES anyway.

you sure know a lot for having an account for one month, and I really hope you are a vaal pact salesman irl. I'm guessing you're referring to me when you say this "terribad guy" and that you need 10k es in order to not get one shot. I was more getting at the fact that you can never have enough es to survive. I'll leave this here, http://www.twitch.tv/etup/b/488890186?t=3h45m40s and watch bobilido or whatever his name is but he has crazy armour and 11k es and a simple bear hits him for about 10k with the right mods. I'm going to recommend you making your own build thread since you are the ultimate ci vp fper and I'm sure you will be a very successful thread/life as a fper. Good luck sir.