[VIDEO]The Battle Mage/Witch - CI cold crit [NEMESIS]

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theamazingjojo wrote:

There is no rate with VP ... its INSTANT ... you just dont die with vaal pact, you clearly never used it on any build :) Its ONLY 7 points, you are not sacrificing that much as you say for it, and whatever you sacrifice its well worth it, ask anyone who has FP CI ... even if you sacrifice some dmg, do you have that bad a wand and shield? And as you said yourself by level 95 you get all the points back ... every CI FP build i know has VP .... heck nearly every CI build i know has it!

Even with double reflect you cannot die (if you know what you are doing), all the take dmg - leech back action is done on a PER HIT basis, even if you hit a million mobs in a split second, you dont die unless you exceed your ES in one hit. Because you take dmg before healing. With FP GMP, this doesn't happen. You die without VP because you cannot leech more than 24% per second. And suddenly, if you are hitting a lot of reflect targets - as happened to you - the damage tends to accumulate all at once after a split second or two, because of how GMP works. With VP, this is not an issue. I dont know how to make this any more clear. But I will try.

Lets say you have 500% increased damage, 900 crit multi ... this is insane, nearly no one has this on FP. With double reflect and GMP and 50 res (-25 max res) that is ...

273 x 0.5 x 6 x 9 x 0.33 x 0.5 = 1216 on a very extreme case which just wont happen, you have much more than 1.2k ES for sure. Even if you curse them and they are at -100 res, you still survive. CI gets tons of ES.

Now to calculate if you will survive or not,

Damage taken is 273 x 0.5 x 6 x 9 x 0.33 x 0.25 on double reflect and 75 res = 608 per hit
Damage leeched is 273 x 0.5 x 6 x 9 x 0.088 = 648 per hit, you always outdo the damage taken

The enemy resist is a constant so it doesnt matter.

Double / reflect with -max res is more tricky, you leech as above but you take a bit more dmg so you either use a sapphire (enough for single reflect to again make your leech outdo the damage) or even use purity of ice on top. Having a reflect map with perfect -max res wont be that common, and its not going to be filled with ele reflect rares anyway. So I wouldnt worry too much about it, its a VERY extreme case. If you do encounter it, you could keep 2 sapphire flasks with surgeon's / perpetual / ample prefixes and play carefully.

You had single reflect with 75 res, you would have survived without a doubt. I hope this pile of text helps you to see why.

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johnbeans wrote:

Vaal Pact not worth it. Oh wait...

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Makavelit0t0 wrote:

first of your math is wrong i dont know where you get the first 273 when you even dont know my damage on my FP and yes i already did the math i would have died anyways with VP and yes you dont have any leech rate with VP since the life leech is instant but in a double reflect map 18%+18% which is 36% damage taken of the total damage you do depending on monsters resist etc. if i only have a 8.8% leech i will not outleech it on a reflect map with or without VP nor in just normal reflect, you will still take 10% damage on just normal reflect.

and as i stated before, i never ran into trouble in reflect map (which still is the one i died on), because with a 20% quality life leech was enough as a substitute for VP untill i reached some more levels on my build. im not even against VP but you have to realise that its TO MANY POINTS to just ignore ES/DMG on your build for VP(vp isnt that close as before - pre 1.0 patch) you asked for harder maps before also and you can always check blackbeards old vods to see how i totally carry the whole group (6-man group by perma freezing mobs everywhere and doing decent FP damage in a full group) here is a vod (http://www.twitch.tv/depimpe/b/488516441) on the maps we where doing for fun some 70-72 maps since you asked for "harder" maps will try to also find the other maps i did with a group 74-77 if i can find it.

i rather have more dmg or es over VP where i will be able to do maps higher then 75+ and outleech the damage intake i get that is the reason i got damage rather then VP early on, if you are having trouble to understand that and still telling me i have to get VP then i guess we have to agree on disagreeing on that subject, remember im NOT against VP since everone keep telling me that im against it by some reason when i do want VP but to many points atm for getting it early on.

and as CI auras is a problem and you wont be able to run more then 2 auras else you wont have mana to FP with


ps. yes i have used VP on many builds since i like going CI and i love it and yes you can still die with VP on reflect (done invalescos build slightly diffrent but 6linked double strike pre 1.0 in hc league, flicker striker 6linked which i died on by twoshotting myself to reflect WITH VP and lightning striker dagger ripped to vuln titty bitches on nemesis, can try find the vod on etups stream)

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Makavelit0t0 wrote:

ps. yes i have used VP on many builds since i like going CI and i love it and yes you can still die with VP on reflect (done invalescos build slightly diffrent but 6linked double strike pre 1.0 in hc league, flicker striker 6linked which i died on by twoshotting myself to reflect WITH VP and lightning striker dagger ripped to vuln titty bitches on nemesis, can try find the vod on etups stream)

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theamazingjojo wrote:

You wouldnt have died with vp, its all take dmg - leech back straight after on a per hit basis, FP with gmp never has enough base dmg or crit multi to outdo the es globe in one hit, unlike flicker strike for example.

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Andreanne wrote:

What if I replace the dream fragment by a second "the Taming" and use a alpha's howl ? I'd still have freeze invulnerability + additional resist and dmg I am just worried about mana regen but what do you think ? would it be viable ? I happen to have funds for this and I want to max out on dmg w/o compromising survival also I play in domination.
Let me know what you think or if you have better suggestions :) thanks

Igonred my questions 1st time i posted it gonna be repecing tomm so please let me know

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Andreanne wrote:

What if I replace the dream fragment by a second "the Taming" and use a alpha's howl ? I'd still have freeze invulnerability + additional resist and dmg I am just worried about mana regen but what do you think ? would it be viable ? I happen to have funds for this and I want to max out on dmg w/o compromising survival also I play in domination.
Let me know what you think or if you have better suggestions :) thanks

Igonred my questions 1st time i posted it gonna be repecing tomm so please let me know

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theamazingjojo wrote:

Your build anyway, suit yourself. I am done here.

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Makavelit0t0 wrote:

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theamazingjojo wrote:

Your build anyway, suit yourself. I am done here.

im amazed how hostile you are and i dont get why you cant understand that this isnt pre 1.0 where i can get VP easy, its TO MANY POINTS FOR VP either you wont have no damage on maps and wont be able to leech enough or have damage and help your groups.

and i have already told you a bunch of times that i am not against VP but its to many points that in the end the trade off is not worth it, VP is on the shittiest spot it can be, before it was in the middle of the tree and not downside where i have to take over 20 points on dex to get, and the reason i went IR was to get tanky enough with my CI FP and later on on lvl 95 get VP and me bore safe when i already have damage. if you are having trouble understanding that and asking for "harder maps" which i just showed you a bunch of them and saying that VP is a must and still arguing VP, VP, VP is like telling a 10 y/o kid doing a slam dunk before he is tall enough to be able to do it

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Duckz wrote:

As far as the feud over VP, while I still think vp is very nice, it is extremely tough to get it with this build. I'm currently just in 66-68 maps now and 20% leech is working well but you need the fp damage behind it. If you sacrifice your damage using 7 point to get vp, you're going to hate life. I think at about lvl 92 you could get it, which at that point you'll be in 77+ maps anyways and need it. These nemesis mods still override things like vp substantially though and it get pretty sketchy even with a passive like vp that aided in immunity in previous leagues. That fractured double reflect necro mob was pure insane damage and idk many chars/build that would have survived that while your dealing ele damage.

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theamazingjojo wrote:

I dont get you people. The guy has a sick gearset with enough dmg and ES coming from them alone (6900 ES with a low ES shield and helm), and you all dont seem to understand how VP works. It can kill you with flicker strike if you still do too much damage, on freeze pulse the damage is so relatively low that it will only kill on extreme cases like double reflect and -max ... IF you dont pay attention. He is only a few points away from it in the tree. That keystone is a godsend for FP CI.

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Duckz wrote:

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Andreanne wrote:

What if I replace the dream fragment by a second "the Taming" and use a alpha's howl ? I'd still have freeze invulnerability + additional resist and dmg I am just worried about mana regen but what do you think ? would it be viable ? I happen to have funds for this and I want to max out on dmg w/o compromising survival also I play in domination.
Let me know what you think or if you have better suggestions :) thanks

Igonred my questions 1st time i posted it gonna be repecing tomm so please let me know

yea, your biggest issues will be mana and capping resists. Your basically relying on the two taming, your shield, chest and belt for resists, which is tough especially in maps with ele weakness. You could always do it anyways since you "have the funds", then if you dont like it, switch back. I personally value a well rolled helm over alpha's due to the survivability of it. I'm not the op but just my two cents.


As far as the feud over VP, while I still think vp is very nice, it is extremely tough to get it with this build. I'm currently just in 66-68 maps now and 20% leech is working well but you need the fp damage behind it. If you sacrifice your damage using 7 point to get vp, you're going to hate life. I think at about lvl 92 you could get it, which at that point you'll be in 77+ maps anyways and need it. These nemesis mods still override things like vp substantially though and it get pretty sketchy even with a passive like vp that aided in immunity in previous leagues. That fractured double reflect necro mob was pure insane damage and idk many chars/build that would have survived that while your dealing ele damage.