[Strongest Solo Variation: Projectile Madness Spectres] LMP/GMP Ice Spear 2x Totem 2x Curse 3x Traps

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bluea wrote:

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Naforce wrote:

As an addition, don't waste GCP on upgrading gems early on. GCP are very valueable and +1% quality on a gem isn't that big of a deal until really really late in the game!

thx a lot.
when u say late in game, do u mean gems i gonna use at end game?
i'm leveling this build, is worth it use the GCP on my ice spear or spell totem gem?

(sry for my english)

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Daegon wrote:

Please could someone post an optimal flask setup for this build, many thanks in advance. Also, the guide says we roflstomp at 50. What exactly makes this such a milestone turning point?

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nyash wrote:

i'll just leave it here

LMP lvl 17, quality lvl 20:
3 projectiles
0.5% * 20 = 10% ICS
-30% DPS
+30% lvling gem bonuse

GMP lvl 17, quality lvl 20:
5 projectiles
0.35 * 20 = 7% ICS
-50% DPS
+30% lvling gem bonuse

If IceSpear deals 100dmg per 1 second:

LMP dmg per spear = (100 - 30%) + 30% = 91
LMP cast time = 1 / (1 + 20%) = 0.83 sec
LMP DPS = 91 / 0.83 = 109.64 per spear, or 328.91 total

GMP dmg per spear = (100 - 50%) + 30% = 65
GMP cast time = 1 / (1 + 7%) = 0.93 sec
GMP DPS = 65 / 0.93 = 69.89 per spear, or 349.46 total

as our build is focused on long-range attacks (to reach second form of IS), u can't hit single target with more than 2-3 spears per cast, so it's a 329dps vs 210 dps. but yeah, if there is a lot of mobs (monkeys in a2?)) GMP probably would give u more chances to survive

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Kech wrote:

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Zastrow wrote:

you sir are very wrong :/
the way calculations are being made is not from the spell's base damage or tooltip damage, say you do 100 damage with GmP on the spear. after the reduce, it is now 50 damage
100 - 50% = 50
now we have a base of 50 damage and adds for fun 50% to that,
50 + 50% = 75 damage. so even if you even out the loss you will never reach the unreduced damage :)
btw this is confirmed by chris on several occasions
just clearing that up!!
-Martin

Ok Martin, what you are saying is not making any sense. Have you even done any research? Do you not understand that the damage reduction is reduced per level of the gem that you level up? I dont know where you are getting spell base damage or tool tip damage from. I clearly stated what the differences between LMP and GMP were:

The major difference between GMP AND LMP is that GMP gives 2 extra projectiles for the trade off of 22% less dmg and slower cast speed of 3% per projectile.GMP also multiplies your total mana cost by 2 while LMP multiples your total mana cost by 1.5.

The 100 is a number plugged into the equation to give readers an understanding of the damage difference.

Is it because you don't understand where I got 102 and 80 from? Do I need to explain more clearly?

Number Craft used as an example for constant value of 100.

100 x 102% = 102 with 10% faster cast speed

100 x 80% = 80 with 7% faster cast speed

I thought I could of omit those simple equations because they were simple to understand? Guess not for everyone.


Honestly, I think you need to either: a. read clearer or b. do more research. Perhaps you don't understand my number crafts? I have an Actuary PHD from Harvard. Really don't understand where you are getting your concepts from. 50% is GMP at level 1. Where did you get your second 50% from? 100 - 50% = 50? This math is wrong already. Do you mean 100 - 50%x100 = 50? Then you got another 50% from no where in this equation 50 + 50% = 75, which doesn't make sense mathematically. Maybe I just don't understand your explanation? Feel free to clear up my confusion.

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Keatro wrote:

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Kech wrote:

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Zastrow wrote:

you sir are very wrong :/
the way calculations are being made is not from the spell's base damage or tooltip damage, say you do 100 damage with GmP on the spear. after the reduce, it is now 50 damage
100 - 50% = 50
now we have a base of 50 damage and adds for fun 50% to that,
50 + 50% = 75 damage. so even if you even out the loss you will never reach the unreduced damage :)
btw this is confirmed by chris on several occasions
just clearing that up!!
-Martin

Ok Martin, what you are saying is not making any sense. Have you even done any research? Do you not understand that the damage reduction is reduced per level of the gem that you level up? I dont know where you are getting spell base damage or tool tip damage from. I clearly stated what the differences between LMP and GMP were:

The major difference between GMP AND LMP is that GMP gives 2 extra projectiles for the trade off of 22% less dmg and slower cast speed of 3% per projectile.GMP also multiplies your total mana cost by 2 while LMP multiples your total mana cost by 1.5.

The 100 is a number plugged into the equation to give readers an understanding of the damage difference.

Is it because you don't understand where I got 102 and 80 from? Do I need to explain more clearly?

Number Craft used as an example for constant value of 100.

100 x 102% = 102 with 10% faster cast speed

100 x 80% = 80 with 7% faster cast speed

I thought I could of omit those simple equations because they were simple to understand? Guess not for everyone.


Honestly, I think you need to either: a. read clearer or b. do more research. Perhaps you don't understand my number crafts? I have an Actuary PHD from Harvard. Really don't understand where you are getting your concepts from. 50% is GMP at level 1. Where did you get your second 50% from? 100 - 50% = 50? This math is wrong already. Do you mean 100 - 50%x100 = 50? Then you got another 50% from no where in this equation 50 + 50% = 75, which doesn't make sense mathematically. Maybe I just don't understand your explanation? Feel free to clear up my confusion.

Pulling out a harvard degree while having such poor reading comprehension is just hilarious. It's clearly stated in the post you replied to that the damage bonus applies after the reduction.

For LMP
Your version: 100 dps * (0.7 + 0.32) * 3 = 306
Correct version: 100 dps * 0.7 * 1.32 * 3 = 277.2

For GMP

Your version: 100 dps * (0.5 + 0.30) * 5 = 400
Correct version: 100 dps * 0.5 * 1.30 * 5 = 325

Along with your poor comprehension and retarded behaviour you also act like the shit which you are clearly not.

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mcurtis wrote:

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Daegon wrote:

Please could someone post an optimal flask setup for this build, many thanks in advance. Also, the guide says we roflstomp at 50. What exactly makes this such a milestone turning point?

+1