DonaldF's EK DANMAKU Ranger Extremely High DPS /Jan.14 little update [Videos]

i wont play discharge...that being said... i prefer volls coc ek coldsnap. its a much safer version considering u really only need one coc ek to kill pretty much everything in the game. its amazing the lack of smart meta ppl use with a toon that has such low survivability.

maxing dps in maku builds is not viable in a game with so many one hit mechanics.

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leighferon wrote:

i wont play discharge...that being said... i prefer volls coc ek coldsnap....

One of the things/combos I've considered. Still, some of CoDT/Ice spear/PCoC/GMP combinations (or even certain gear) can give you P. charges as well, so you don't have to use ugly unchromable voll, I can't make myself in using it opposed to this underestimated beauty;



Besides, Arctic breath and hatred on EK can freeze /slow down nicely too, or you swap them for arc (shock stacks) or FB (damage) depanding on map/setup.

in a single mob situation (or without a 6L volls), I just literally cannot see how discharge is superior to anything...


Discharge lvl 20 on a boss only does 28-534 lightning damage with 1 powercharge. You're rapidly casting Discharge so much that most times you will only have 1 power charge, especially on a boss like piety, etc.


with Fireball you are doing 368-553 fire damage, now if you have GMP you're hitting the boss with (368-553)/2*5 = 920 - 1382.5 damage each proc. All 5 projectiles will explode on any mob that is in melee range of you

Both Discharge and Fireball can both factor in Conc. Effect as well so there really isn't any support which will favor one over the other.


Discharge only beats fireball when you have a 6L voll's protector ($$$) and you're hitting more than 4 mobs (4 power charges). Frenzy charges only come from kills, and endurance charges come sporatically, or on kill so you really can't count either of those in a sustained DPS measure.

Discharge might clear a bit faster, but it's MUCH more dangerous. I could go on... but the end result is that it has absolutely nothing to do with non-existant lag or "bright flashs" It's just the inferior option

Another argument for danmaku > CI discharge + EK is IIR.

EK + fireball allows you to easily switch to item rarity for soloing maps (because our DPS is a bit overkill for soloing really). Aurseize doesnt mean a drop in ES and actually gives you some res (vs maligaro's). Rat's nest has 20-25 IIR. Since the danmaku doesnt depend as much on jewelry for res, its easier to get some IIR there (Wishinan's build uses rainbowstride + auxium, which means no tri res boots/belt).

I personally really like soloing using item rarity gem (274 total IIR, max res), all i have to do is bother with casting crit weakness and packs still go poof. Just killed torture chamber boss easily with that setup as i'm typing this. Obviously you can also smack dominus around a bit with that setup, like when you have to make a WTB/WTS game for example.

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drake1666 wrote:

Another argument for danmaku > CI discharge + EK is IIR.

EK + fireball allows you to easily switch to item rarity for soloing maps (because our DPS is a bit overkill for soloing really).

Interesting but I don't see any crit chance on your jewelry, are you high enough level so that chance from tree and daggers is all that you need?

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Thorien_Kell wrote:

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drake1666 wrote:

Another argument for danmaku > CI discharge + EK is IIR.

EK + fireball allows you to easily switch to item rarity for soloing maps (because our DPS is a bit overkill for soloing really).

Interesting but I don't see any crit chance on your jewelry, are you high enough level so that chance from tree and daggers is all that you need?

It does drop quite a bit, from near max to about 82, hence why i manually cast crit weakness to make make things smooth again. crit weakness is also a big DPS boost which is welcomed when only using one EK in mid maps (that last affix... 79% more damage from critical strikes at 20/20).

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drake1666 wrote:

Danmaku is dead because you cant use 2-3 EKs? really? People forget CoC got boosted by 20% which is huge. Those that say it's dead dont even play it. Those that do play it say everything is fine. The math is simple enough:

Because you can't use 3 EKs now. Learn to read.

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drake1666 wrote:

You say you didnt use hatred, well i sure hope you wouldn't because otherwise your armor would be laughable. That's one of many reasons your DPS isnt that good, unlike what your ego would have us believe:

If you have watched my vid, you would know that I only run Clarity and Discipline/Grace. How would running Hatred lower my armor?

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drake1666 wrote:

1. no hatred, which is not only a big damage boost to EK but makes it freeze almost everything (and EK + ice nova = big AOE perma freeze build). The freezing from frenzy charges in your vid isnt as reliable.

2. no second dagger because you need that ES on the shield, don't you? That's a whopping ~200% less crit chance, 10% less multiplicative attack speed, and roughly 50-60% less spell dmg (though you can get a shield with some). It's well known that this build is smooth when you have very high crit chance: one spin and done. Yours is so low that you have to bother casting critical weakness all the time and often have to spin a few times for the damn thing to proc. Crit chance also boost the damage of spells significantly (and make EK's freeze more). Lastly, high crit chance makes for more consistent leech and faster surgeon's flask recovery.

So low? It's 85% Crit Chance without Power Charges. And with Fraps I lag and my ping spikes. So what you see in the vid is prolly 85% of real gameplay.

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drake1666 wrote:

and dont even get me started on cost effectiveness, your build is expensive while the danmaku doesnt have to be. You can do 76-78 maps just fine with a tabula, especially if you use one ungil's + stone of lazhwar which cost next to nothing.

Of course my build is expensive. It's an endgame build which also focuses on survivability. I saw MrPom's vid, he had like what, 4.3K HP?

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Skogar wrote:

I'm also an EK discharger. I've played with drake (ign feralys) and I don't wanna get into the argument, but a few things I've observed -

1. Discharge does clears faster than fireball in general. 8 % crit vs 6% crit. The cost? Everyone is annoyed at you. I've run with discharge at some pretty insane clear speeds whether solo or full party in 75+ maps. The drawback? If there is a mfer or someone asks me, I have to change the gem to something else. Discharge is too opaque and I agree with that.

That's true, if there is an MFer then I usually will switch out.

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Skogar wrote:

2. Discharge or fireball, doesn't matter. Your main dps is EK and you should focus on that.

To each his own.

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Skogar wrote:

3. Even tho discharge in my opinion is superior, I've watched wishinans vid and and drake clears faster with fireball than does wishinan in his video with discharge. There could be a lot of optimization there.

I'm not surprised if he really does. What are his defensive stats?

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Skogar wrote:

That all being said, I don't like the feel and aesthetics of fireball - personal choice. I've liked cold snap/ice spear/arc as options as well.

You're not the only one :)

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Wishinan wrote:

What are his defensive stats?

ask him if he's ever seen me die in 76-78 maps instead :)

life/ES is just a buffer zone with vaal pact. As an example, flubbyeverywhere is lvl 98 with about 5k ES and no big armor or block or anything, so who cares about your 9k ES. If i want to i can get a lot more block than you can using one ungil's (49%).

and you should know what my defensive stats are, since you have apparently tested everything (cough).

can someone help me to adapt this build to start as a shadow?