DonaldF's EK DANMAKU Ranger Extremely High DPS /Jan.14 little update [Videos]

I really want to try this build got any versions that use the bringer of rain? Or is the limited 4 sockets not probable?

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0DAWGY0 wrote:

I really want to try this build got any versions that use the bringer of rain? Or is the limited 4 sockets not probable?

BOR is not for this build bro. You don't kill with melee here, but CoC linked spells. Did you see daggers they use?

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MrPom wrote:

Someone requested I post my gear so here it is:

Second attack spell would be more useful there then added fire damage.

Stuck leveled cold snap there, fireball or ice spear. Even arc works. Test them a bit before.

That's why I cringe every time I see blood magic +life steal on main gear piece. Such waste of sockets. If you have only 5L as most it means you attack with one single spell (EK) which can be enough even for endgame but I would hardly call it satisfying, for me that is.

Since this build doesn't pay mana for main attack skills, you should be able to manage mana on your own, even if it means 1 aura less. I'm gonna try modify it this way.

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Thorien_Kell wrote:

Second attack spell would be more useful there then added fire damage.

have to agree. i use a lvl 17 fireball instead of lvl 20 added fire. its so much better! try it out!

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Wishinan wrote:

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drake1666 wrote:

face rolling the game until you join a group and everybody asks you to f off with the discharge... then you realize EK + discharge's DPS is overkill for solo play and that EK + whatever is more than fine.

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drake1666 wrote:

stop spamming this thread

Nobody will ask you to 'f off' if you are doing the most DPS in the group :) Those who do are prolly ones who set the display settings to the highest but do not have suitable specs to handle high FPS ^^ I have 75+ map groups and never once was I once asked to 'f off'. Instead they told me that I made the game such a faceroll since I tanked and DPS'ed.

First time I seen someone who rather do 'more than fine' DPS then 'overkill' DPS :D

Isn't the Danmaku build originally all about 'overkill' DPS with 3 EKs? :) After much testing, I conclude that the EK-PCoC-Discharge gem combo is on par with the DPS output of 3EKs. Unlike EK, which has the problem of hits shooting more to one side and less on the other side, Discharge's AoE is constant.

I am not spamming this thread, its too bad if you perceive it this way. I'm merely raising awareness about my EK-Discharger for fellow Danmaku players who want a change and output the insane DPS they once achieved.

After much testing? Looks more like you havent tested anything because the clear speed/DPS in that video of yours is rather unimpressive. Good job on the 9K ES i guess, but considering it is possible to pretty much never die in the highest maps with the classic danmaku, who cares? You also say discharge AOE is constant... what do you think fireball does? Have you even read the last 10 pages of this thread?

I laugh at the fact that you say groups have never asked you to take off discharge or leave, when just a few days ago i was mapping with a guy named skogar (IGN jurassicapark) who does a LOT more dps than you with EK + discharge (just using voll's) and he got asked to take it off. Don't worry, it's coming. Also, the annoyance of discharge has nothing to do with FPS issues, stop blaming your poor decision to use this skill on others.

Lastly, i also laugh at the fact that you took off this build from your "TOP 5 builds" thread to put yours in like a biased mr. knowitall with an ego. Talk about misleading new players in not just one but multiple threads. Do the community a favor and stop using these forums.

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Thorien_Kell wrote:

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0DAWGY0 wrote:

I really want to try this build got any versions that use the bringer of rain? Or is the limited 4 sockets not probable?

BOR is not for this build bro. You don't kill with melee here, but CoC linked spells. Did you see daggers they use?

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MrPom wrote:

Someone requested I post my gear so here it is:

Second attack spell would be more useful there then added fire damage.

Stuck leveled cold snap there, fireball or ice spear. Even arc works. Test them a bit before.

That's why I cringe every time I see blood magic +life steal on main gear piece. Such waste of sockets. If you have only 5L as most it means you attack with one single spell (EK) which can be enough even for endgame but I would hardly call it satisfying, for me that is.

Since this build doesn't pay mana for main attack skills, you should be able to manage mana on your own, even if it means 1 aura less. I'm gonna try modify it this way.

Well I played with a 20/20 Fireball for a while and I dont know if it's better, I like the fact that added fire damage allows you to only attack with EK, feels more consistent...

About the BM part I absolutely disagree, blieve me I played this build on three characters, tried using mana and it doesnt feel good at all. I'm almost lvl88 now and bm+ll give the best fluidity in gameplay.

I'll give fireball another chance

hey noob here, i read the past 10 pages but im not quite following. does 2 eks linked together not work anymore? why is that?

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MrPom wrote:

Well I played with a 20/20 Fireball for a while and I dont know if it's better, I like the fact that added fire damage allows you to only attack with EK, feels more consistent...

I don't understand this "fireball" part from you and the other guy. Shouldn't you be using FB with spectral throw and LMP? Because single fireball doesn't seem that great. Or I'm wrong?

EDIT, nvm I tested it, works good :)

I would suggest you try using cold snap. It's AoE and it freezes enemies. If you play with pwr charges ofc. If not some ppl say arc is good, others arctic breath, some like FB. But why not have all and swap then on need?

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About the BM part I absolutely disagree, blieve me I played this build on three characters, tried using mana and it doesnt feel good at all. I'm almost lvl88 now and bm+ll give the best fluidity in gameplay.

If you can afford all skills you use then 'fluidity' should be the same. Low level clarity on life, some mana regen jewelry and %mana leech seem small price to pay for 1 socket/attack more.

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drake1666 wrote:

After much testing? Looks more like you havent tested anything because the clear speed/DPS in that video of yours is rather unimpressive. Good job on the 9K ES i guess, but considering it is possible to pretty much never die in the highest maps with the classic danmaku, who cares? You also say discharge AOE is constant... what do you think fireball does? Have you even read the last 10 pages of this thread?

I laugh at the fact that you say groups have never asked you to take off discharge or leave, when just a few days ago i was mapping with a guy named skogar (IGN jurassicapark) who does a LOT more dps than you with EK + discharge (just using voll's) and he got asked to take it off. Don't worry, it's coming. Also, the annoyance of discharge has nothing to do with FPS issues, stop blaming your poor decision to use this skill on others.

Lastly, i also laugh at the fact that you took off this build from your "TOP 5 builds" thread to put yours in like a biased mr. knowitall with an ego. Talk about misleading new players in not just one but multiple threads. Do the community a favor and stop using these forums.

I have tested all the combinations :)

The vids just showcase my build. With the ping spikes and lag, I'm just taking it easy.

In terms of DPS output, Fireball is not even close to Discharge. Come on, make some decent comparisons :)

People complain about Discharge for 3 main reasons. Firstly, the screen freeze(DPS drop) it causes them. Secondly, the bright flashes of Discharge which destroys their precious eyes. Lastly, the anti-fun Discharge brings about.

Well, of course Voll's Protector can be used in my build for higher DPS. But when we talk about endgame builds, DPS is only one of the many factors you consider. What stats does Voll's give, 265 Armor and 79ES? That's shit for survivability. That's a no-no when you're talking end-game.

I took this build off my thread because many others have reasonably stated that the Danmaku is dead. This is partly true, this build was called the Danmaku mainly because of 3 EK's proccing together, creating that 'Bullet Hell'. Now the max you can go is 2 EKs. So technically it is not the original Danmaku. And my build allows you to run 3 extra gem slots since only Cyclone-CoCs-Life Leech is needed, while this build only allows you to run 2, since you already have the Cyclone-Blood Magic-Life Leech-CoCS. So there is no way this build will outdps mine :) Let's not forget that I'm not even using Hatred to boost EK's DPS in my videos.

I think you should do the community and stop bringing about your negative feedback. You know you are doing it wrong when GGG has to edit your posts :)

Anyway, I appreciate this conversation with you, and hope we will continue this via PM :)

Free bump for thread!

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Wishinan wrote:

I have tested all the combinations :)

The vids just showcase my build. With the ping spikes and lag, I'm just taking it easy.

In terms of DPS output, Fireball is not even close to Discharge. Come on, make some decent comparisons :)

People complain about Discharge for 3 main reasons. Firstly, the screen freeze(DPS drop) it causes them. Secondly, the bright flashes of Discharge which destroys their precious eyes. Lastly, the anti-fun Discharge brings about.

Well, of course Voll's Protector can be used in my build for higher DPS. But when we talk about endgame builds, DPS is only one of the many factors you consider. What stats does Voll's give, 265 Armor and 79ES? That's shit for survivability. That's a no-no when you're talking end-game.

I took this build off my thread because many others have reasonably stated that the Danmaku is dead. This is partly true, this build was called the Danmaku mainly because of 3 EK's proccing together, creating that 'Bullet Hell'. Now the max you can go is 2 EKs. So technically it is not the original Danmaku. And my build allows you to run 3 extra gem slots since only Cyclone-CoCs-Life Leech is needed, while this build only allows you to run 2, since you already have the Cyclone-Blood Magic-Life Leech-CoCS. So there is no way this build will outdps mine :) Let's not forget that I'm not even using Hatred to boost EK's DPS in my videos.

I think you should do the community and stop bringing about your negative feedback. You know you are doing it wrong when GGG has to edit your posts :)

Anyway, I appreciate this conversation with you, and hope we will continue this via PM :)

Free bump for thread!

Danmaku is dead because you cant use 2-3 EKs? really? People forget CoC got boosted by 20% which is huge. Those that say it's dead dont even play it. Those that do play it say everything is fine. The math is simple enough:

2x EK @ 5.5k dmg = 11k x 0.68 = 7.48
EK @ 5.5 and fireball @ 3k = 9k x 0.88 = 7.48

Of course discharge does more DPS than fireball, but like i said i didnt even consider it because of the "people hate it" issues. Don't worry, if you actually start to play this game enough you will get told off. I know i never will. lol @ "bright flashes of discharge destroys people's precious eyes". Talk about a guy who 1. doesnt care about his teammates 2. is too clueless to have realized yet that the main thing that's annoying about discharge is it's opacity: it hides what's under it. It's the same story with every build that's considered annoying in groups.

You say you didnt use hatred, well i sure hope you wouldn't because otherwise your armor would be laughable. That's one of many reasons your DPS isnt that good, unlike what your ego would have us believe:

1. no hatred, which is not only a big damage boost to EK but makes it freeze almost everything (and EK + ice nova = big AOE perma freeze build). The freezing from frenzy charges in your vid isnt as reliable.

2. no second dagger because you need that ES on the shield, don't you? That's a whopping ~200% less crit chance, 10% less multiplicative attack speed, and roughly 50-60% less spell dmg (though you can get a shield with some). It's well known that this build is smooth when you have very high crit chance: one spin and done. Yours is so low that you have to bother casting critical weakness all the time and often have to spin a few times for the damn thing to proc. Crit chance also boost the damage of spells significantly (and make EK's freeze more). Lastly, high crit chance makes for more consistent leech and faster surgeon's flask recovery.

3. no rat's nest and no maligaro's because again you need that ES and res, don't you? Well here's another 125% crit chance down the toilet, not to mention 15% attack speed and 45-50 crit multiplier.

4. no rustic sash, that poor EK damage just isnt getting any help.

5. no 20% AOE from carcass jack; in big packs that leads to a lot more procs. I guess it's usable in your build, but then armor/ES would be even lower.

and dont even get me started on cost effectiveness, your build is expensive while the danmaku doesnt have to be. You can do 76-78 maps just fine with a tabula, especially if you use one ungil's + stone of lazhwar which cost next to nothing.

Your build is nothing new really, its just the typical CI cyclone + coc + discharge build to which you added an EK that does pitiful damage. You sure seem like you need attention and praise bumping your build's thread a lot, maybe you'll get it someday when you truly come up with something new, creative and effective like DonaldF has. Until then stop kidding yourself.

Don't even bother replying without stating what your EK damage and cyclone crit chance without power charges is.

no PM allowed, you've mislead people enough, do it here.

I'm also an EK discharger. I've played with drake (ign feralys) and I don't wanna get into the argument, but a few things I've observed -

1. Discharge does clears faster than fireball in general. 8 % crit vs 6% crit. The cost? Everyone is annoyed at you. I've run with discharge at some pretty insane clear speeds whether solo or full party in 75+ maps. The drawback? If there is a mfer or someone asks me, I have to change the gem to something else. Discharge is too opaque and I agree with that.

2. Discharge or fireball, doesn't matter. Your main dps is EK and you should focus on that.

3. Even tho discharge in my opinion is superior, I've watched wishinans vid and and drake clears faster with fireball than does wishinan in his video with discharge. There could be a lot of optimization there.

4. It's easier to build and optimize for ek/fireball as both these skills are projectiles. I think the key to making this build work is the passive skill tree. I've spent hours just staring at the damn thing and I've spent so many regrets but it's made a difference more so than gear choices.

That all being said, I don't like the feel and aesthetics of fireball - personal choice. I've liked cold snap/ice spear/arc as options as well.