[1.0.4]Scion - Incinerate Tank - Mind over Matter, EB, almost Max Block | Facetank a lot of stuff

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Spartheos wrote:

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theamazingjojo wrote:

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TL;DR This Build isn't for everyone. If you want to rush in and 3 hit everything on the map with 12 aps, it's not going to happen with this build. You don't have to play up close and personal. I can stand back far enough to not get hit by melee and still melt the enemy Does it take longer? yes, but I don't care about clear speed.

This is a tank build. This build is one of the few play styles that actually uses incinerate and it does so pretty nicely. This build would be perfect for starters or solo farmers. You have to l2p a build before saying it sucks or can't do this or that. Tip:Don't leave your Cwdt LW gem in when soloing merc dom...Can you guess why? Manual teleporting is best for those kinds of situations.

I'm going to play this build on HC eventually just a few mods here and there and I think it would be fine.

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theamazingjojo wrote:

You are playing incinerate, it is not really a ranged build because to maximise dmg you have to stand still and close, still for the 4 stacks and close for the shotgun effect. Unless you have 100% block / evade / dodge (only available if you manage to hack poe lol) you are getting hit. MOM and arctic armor are cute and all, but (a) spikes will quickly get past the (pretty small even for MOM) mana pool and into the pathetic hp pool and (b) AA is crap vs big hits like that video I showed because you dont really have a lot of armor and stack more than 3 endurance charges to bring a massive hit down to <500. Also, there are things like torture chamber boss, volatile storm / fire / ice blood, ancestral bond, corpse explosions from dominus minions / sirens / alira martyrs that simply shred this build in no time because the small life pool cant sustain any real damage. I dont know why you would call this a tank, it isn't. Tanking a normal vaal smash isnt hard to do. There are far more dangerous things in this game.

Now for softcore, this is all good. For nemesis, this build is a deathwish, unless like I said you just want to do lunaris or docks. 'Rarely die' implies exactly that you died at least once or a handful, and hence its not nemesis viable.

Stop talking about playing smart, POE damage scaling is retarded and doesnt allow for this. You were lucky, if you really managed those 2 maps without deaths. Kudos to you.

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riddridd wrote:

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theamazingjojo wrote:

You are playing incinerate, it is not really a ranged build because to maximise dmg you have to stand still and close, still for the 4 stacks and close for the shotgun effect. Unless you have 100% block / evade / dodge (only available if you manage to hack poe lol) you are getting hit. MOM and arctic armor are cute and all, but (a) spikes will quickly get past the (pretty small even for MOM) mana pool and into the pathetic hp pool and (b) AA is crap vs big hits like that video I showed because you dont really have a lot of armor and stack more than 3 endurance charges to bring a massive hit down to <500. Also, there are things like torture chamber boss, volatile storm / fire / ice blood, ancestral bond, corpse explosions from dominus minions / sirens / alira martyrs that simply shred this build in no time because the small life pool cant sustain any real damage. I dont know why you would call this a tank, it isn't. Tanking a normal vaal smash isnt hard to do. There are far more dangerous things in this game.

Now for softcore, this is all good. For nemesis, this build is a deathwish, unless like I said you just want to do lunaris or docks. 'Rarely die' implies exactly that you died at least once or a handful, and hence its not nemesis viable.

Stop talking about playing smart, POE damage scaling is retarded and doesnt allow for this. You were lucky, if you really managed those 2 maps without deaths. Kudos to you.

Not sure where you get this info, there's plenty of youtube vids of Incinerate tanks destroying high end content, examples here for Torture Chamber boss (which you say is not possible as this build): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZXByfL3FqY

And 74 Vaal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KOJJV--egA

You're tremendously underestimating the power of block and spell block when combined with a quick hitting channeled spell that allows for tons of leech.

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Spartheos wrote:

Wow, guy. What's your problem? Do even play this build? I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you DON'T play this build, because you keep saying that our HP is too low and that we can't tank. Uhm, hello? Listen to the people who are playing this build smashing merc dom/piety and wrecking end-game maps.

You can get angry all you want, but the fact is this; This is a tank build. We (I) do fine. We (I) don't get 1-hit-killed.

I'd love to know why this guy is so angry.

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theamazingjojo wrote:

I'm not angry. You are.

You have your opinion, I have mine. Can this build work at endgame? I suppose. Is it a tank? No.

I am simply stating a fact, this is not tanky in any way whatsoever. Its got the same plague as evasion builds, the one shot scenario. Block is awesome, but if it doesnt register, its not real mitigation. This build has very low physical resist.

MOM is not a life saver, its only 30% of damage, and the mana pool is very small, and is shared with casting incinerate. Any spike will quickly get past that.

I havent seen any videos of OP or anyone with this build 'wrecking' endgame maps. 66 maps with random mods or lunaris runs, or a random vaal smash, isnt considered difficult at all.

When you see shit like this, and reach endgame, come back and talk to me and tell me you agree with 2k hp being useless.

http://www.twitch.tv/etup/b/488890186?t=3h45m40s --> 8k spike, might have been 12k before mitigations.
http://www.twitch.tv/theanuhart/c/3157667 --> touch of god after decent armor and light res, and almost 9k hp

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theamazingjojo wrote:

Where do you see me yelling and insulting anyone? I stated *my opinion* and you got mad. I didnt tell anyone what to do, I just stated *I think it's squishy and shouldnt be called a tank*

Its not rocket science, if you get hit for a spike thats much more than that health pool and its past block, you die. Some ppl run builds with that danger, some dont. Why do you wanna keep denying this fact?

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Spartheos wrote:

Why don't you quit posting in this thread since you don't play this build, have nothing but negative to say / insulting people, and don't like that the build creator uses the word Facetank in a way that's obviously upsetting you.