[1.1.0] Ghore's Immortal Incinerate Regen Tank (EB + Mind over Matter/Max Block/Max AA)

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Vandalain wrote:

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Opungo wrote:

Really despise those who steal from other people's builds and claim it as their own. I hope this thread gets taken down for plagiarism. Ungrateful person.

http://web-grindinggear.netdna-ssl.com/forum/view-thread/556177/page/19

Ya like someone else said, look at the date/time of the OPs on both threads. Aside from the fact he's using I-want-to-get-tripleshocked Coil it's a very solid build.

Guess the other poster made your seemingly trash of a build and turned it into a wonder considering how many replies he has, and how much GREATER of a build his is.

(Btw if you did have some eyes, you'd realize the man has 195% in lightning, but I suppose your ignorance gets in the way just as much as your lack of understanding and skill. Also considering the fact he's made MANY great builds as opposed to your one really does bring up questions. Got nothing against you, or even really like the other guy, however I do hate plagiarism in all aspects.)

Okay so I bought a Tabula Rasa, i've also got an 18% incinerate, should I still be running faster projectiles, or should i run something else?

Thank to gods no sold this awesome gem... :P (19% faster projectile)

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Opungo wrote:

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Vandalain wrote:

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Opungo wrote:

Really despise those who steal from other people's builds and claim it as their own. I hope this thread gets taken down for plagiarism. Ungrateful person.

http://web-grindinggear.netdna-ssl.com/forum/view-thread/556177/page/19

Ya like someone else said, look at the date/time of the OPs on both threads. Aside from the fact he's using I-want-to-get-tripleshocked Coil it's a very solid build.

Guess the other poster made your seemingly trash of a build and turned it into a wonder considering how many replies he has, and how much GREATER of a build his is.

(Btw if you did have some eyes, you'd realize the man has 195% in lightning, but I suppose your ignorance gets in the way just as much as your lack of understanding and skill. Also considering the fact he's made MANY great builds as opposed to your one really does bring up questions. Got nothing against you, or even really like the other guy, however I do hate plagiarism in all aspects.)

Don't understand why so much flame is going around over the posting of a build. His build has more posts/views because it's in the Scion subforum. Ya know, the class that most people are playing these days or atleast the one that people want to play.

I hate Lightning Coil because I feel it's potentially too dangerous of an item for a hardcore setting. Shock is an immensely dangerous status ailment and adding another damage source to get shocked, in my opinion, isn't worth it.


Sure you're going to have sooo much mitigation and be hella tanky up until that perfect storm of mods and attacks and you get triple shocked and subsequently one-two shot in the blink of an eye.

Once you get to the certain point the only thing that can kill a character is these types of perfect storm settings. I do not like to add to the likelihood of this happening.

If LC had been a conversion to fire or cold damage, I'd be 100% on board with the item. But Shock is just too unpredictable and too dangerous for my taste. Thus why I strongly (and vocally) dislike the item.



The fact he's made many builds compared to my one should be irrelevant. What questions does this bring up?

It's funny you directly attack me but then you say you have nothing against me. Which is it?

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Archey wrote:

Okay so I bought a Tabula Rasa, i've also got an 18% incinerate, should I still be running faster projectiles, or should i run something else?

Faster Proj after having a quality Incin is definitely a luxury link but I try to run it as much as I can. It should def be the gem that is swapped out for Mana Leech when in "emergency" mode.

It does give some damage and a quality one will help out with getting to stage 3 faster but the massive range increase really goes a long way.

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Vandalain wrote:

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Archey wrote:

Okay so I bought a Tabula Rasa, i've also got an 18% incinerate, should I still be running faster projectiles, or should i run something else?

Faster Proj after having a quality Incin is definitely a luxury link but I try to run it as much as I can. It should def be the gem that is swapped out for Mana Leech when in "emergency" mode.

It does give some damage and a quality one will help out with getting to stage 3 faster but the massive range increase really goes a long way.

Thanks, I'm currently running mana leech instead of faster projectiles because with added chaos and faster casting my mana regen can't keep up. Not sure how I can get much more mana regen, these are my rings



I'm loving the build so far, Only level 68 though so i've got a way to go. im at 76% block and 50% spell block, i think im going to work towards immortal flesh, and dreamtreads. As for my skill tree I'm working towards Body and Soul, I've gotten pretty much everything else except for MoM and most of the health nodes, I feel pretty comfortable with my 2500 hp(1900 with clarity on).

Only thing I dont like about the dreamtreads is that I lose 10% movement speed, which isn't all that bad, but i hate feeling slow

The armor/es nodes will help out with regen a lot. The Max ES nodes along with the Max Mana nodes really start to scale hard with one another once you start running a lvl 20 discipline and have a piece or two of gear with a fair amount of ES on it. (outside of the uniques)

Hi, I am trying this build on nemesis and so far so good,but I have a question that I am hoping someone can answer
: What is the benefit of using EB for this build? There are 13 nodes used to get eb and the mana nodes along the way. Is it that much of a benefit? Or can you be better off just getting the mana nodes at templar start, the reduced mana nodes that you are also already next to, and keeping your es for better defense? Also, if you count the purity of flesh nodes, you can drop those, freeing up 19 nodes instead of 13 and complete the circle of life area for more life. Again, if there is a huge benefit to using Eb let me know, but i quit my 91 templar after 1.0 because unless your using it to run a bunch of auras, i just dont see the point of it anymore. also using eb and still getting mana nodes also seems kind of pointless to me

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JusSolus wrote:

Hi, I am trying this build on nemesis and so far so good,but I have a question that I am hoping someone can answer
: What is the benefit of using EB for this build? There are 13 nodes used to get eb and the mana nodes along the way. Is it that much of a benefit? Or can you be better off just getting the mana nodes at templar start, the reduced mana nodes that you are also already next to, and keeping your es for better defense? Also, if you count the purity of flesh nodes, you can drop those, freeing up 19 nodes instead of 13 and complete the circle of life area for more life. Again, if there is a huge benefit to using Eb let me know, but i quit my 91 templar after 1.0 because unless your using it to run a bunch of auras, i just dont see the point of it anymore. also using eb and still getting mana nodes also seems kind of pointless to me

EB is taken because it significantly boosts the mana and mana regen that you have. You need a lot of regen to sustain an Arctic Armour, and Incinerate takes a fair amount of regen to sustain as well, but not as much.

Most builds can't even get anywhere near the amount of mana regen that an EB build does. Using Mind over Matter effectively would be impossible without Eldritch Battery. With Mind over Matter your mana is an extension of your health pool so you want it to have a high value to it as well.


Having both ES and Health as a form of defense typically will only work with an Aegis Aurora build. Theres just no reason to not convert the ES to mana with a build like this.


Mana nodes are gotten with EB because it makes anything that increases your mana scale even harder than just having one or the other. Having both max es and max mana together with EB is what makes you get up to the ridiculous amounts of mana and subsequently up to ridiculous amounts of regen.



With high regen you can run a high arctic armour with gives a massive amount of mitigation. It also lets you use Mind over Matter which is even more mitigation.

If you didn't want to run EB or MoM you could just do the old school blood magic gem Incin tank. You would have to use a blood magic gem in incin which effectively cuts a link down for no reason other than to simply enable the ability. You could run different auras as well because they wouldn't be needed to buff your mana and your regen. But you wouldn't be able to run Arctic Armour. And you wouldn't be able to reap the benefits of MoM.



I can guarantee that an old school stack health blood magic gem'd Incin won't have anywhere near the survivability that this way of doing Incin has.


The jury is out on Mind over Matter and it's pretty much unanimous among the top player base: MoM builds are among the tankiest that PoE has ever seen.



I tried to cover all the points and hope this answers your question.

Ok thank you that explained it a lot. I will stick with EB