Feedback and Suggestions - Legacy Items: An Owner's Thoughts & Guild's Thoughts & Our Petition!!! Note: Moderators Needed! - Forum

" Schn1tt3r wrote: " Exalon wrote: " derbefrier wrote: I disagree. For the casual player these reasons you give are irrelevant, as a casual player can not be competitive in this sort of game. Believe me I know, I am one of those casual players. The economy, the ladder, PvP, all of it. the casual will be at a disadvantage in all of these situations because of the very nature of the game and while legacy uniques do nothing to help that situation they do not add to it, nothing noticeable will change for the casual player these items will be expensive and OP but so will any other unique in the game in the eyes of a casual player. No casual could ever hope to have 30 exalts to trade for anything. In fact someone who claims to have 4 Koams Hearts is no casual and has no business speaking for casual players. I am a casual and I am realistic with my expectations other casuals are not and this is why so many are so angry over this. Their envy, jealousy, and greed are overriding their common sense. I know I will never be able to compete in this game, so I don't. I play on standard were I get to keep all my stuff and I don't have to worry about resets. Someone having a legacy item will not affect me in anyway therefore it is my opinion to let them keep them. Great post, these are the reasons why I also disagree with the original statement, but I couldn't have said it better myself WRONG. I play fairly casually and have more than 30 EX in currency plus tons more in gear. The reason I don't have a Kaom or a Shavronne is because I DONT LIKE BUILDS WITH THEM. Now if I knew that Legacy shit would exist, I would have kept them and used them for PvP or whatever. Legacy is just NOT equal playing field. I have a few uniques like perfect rolled Rainbowstrides and even if I still had Kaom and Shavronne, I would want them nerfed. Unbalance is horrible in these types of games. Also, LOL at future Kaoms drop chance remaining just as low as future Kaoms while one being worth 100 exalts and the other a vendor trash. if you have more than 30ex your not a casual player man, at least from my perspective. that takes some work. just curious, how many hours a day do you play? how long did it take you to acquire those exalts? Hopefully you can see what I am getting at here. IF I spent most of my time trading rather than playing I am sure I could have a little more wealth than I do now but that's a choice I made and I am fine with it. I still maintain its silly for a casual player to think he can be competitive in this sort of game. That those types of expectations are unrealistic with the games current state. I mean this is why MMOs have been so casualized over the years so casual players like us can feel like we are being competitive. GGG obviously doesn't want to cheapen the game to allow for this so why bother complaining about it? Accept it and enjoy the game for what it is or move on. I know that sounds cliche but that seems to be the only logical choice at this point. for the casual player a level playing field is a practical impossibility if we want the game to keep any semblance of being a "hardcore" arpg.	Posted by derbefrier#6652 on Oct 22, 2013, 10:28:17 PM Quote this Post
I'm good either way on the legacy item debate. If legacy items are in the game, then I might be able to someday trade for them. If not, no big deal.	Posted by Drumheller#5380 on Oct 22, 2013, 10:32:44 PM Quote this Post
(I disagree) I don't think petitions via sheer numbers will help the game developers figure out the solution to Legacy Items. Discussion and intelligent exchange will. Legacy items isn't just limited to Kaom's Heart. It also includes rare (yellow) items from Onyx Amulets to Magic Find belts to old-art helmets. I also acknowledge that all items which are broken, legacy or otherwise should be rebalanced, while slightly advantageous legacy items should be allowed to exist for "collector's value." They might offer slight advantages in PVE, but players took time and effort to craft such items. Having the sentimental value of such items destroyed is not the answer. A player having a slight advantage does not impact other players except in the case of PVP. Regarding legacy items and PVP: It should be simple to filter out an item that has a mod value different from its non-legacy version. (IIQ/IIR can't be on rare belts, Implicit/Explicit value higher than current highest value, etc.) This kind of system can be used to bar people from PVP queues. If such changes regarding PVP is applied, would people still call for the deletion of legacy items? Also: " CharanJaydemyr wrote: " Azarius wrote: This is a serious thread, and from the onset I said this was a thread about ONE ISSUE in particular. People are to VOTE via a PETITION. I can't believe how many times I have to reiterate this. I can, because it's an extremely volatile topic and everyone has their right to an opinion provided they follow the guidelines. Speaking of, it's the guidelines posted by Bex that you're invoking, not the ToU, and there's a reason they're called 'guidelines' and not 'laws'. Even those are subject to review and judgment case-by-case. You do not own this thread. You started it, but you don't own it. You may REQUEST that people respond to your petition but it is no more off-topic for them to query said petition's validity and approach. By saying 'only agree or disagree, all other responses will be reported', you started your own fire by dictating something you have no right to dictate. I'm sorry. My last post for this thread. Best of luck. Personal Item Filter(s): https://www.pathofexile.com/item-filter/Rxpet8 Last edited by Censurri#7561 on Oct 22, 2013, 11:34:54 PM	Posted by Censurri#7561 on Oct 22, 2013, 10:43:10 PM Quote this Post
" Connor_GGG wrote: Hey guys, please refrain from using threatening remarks or harassment of any nature. If your views differ please help cultivate a healthy discussion and avoid derailing it with off-topic posts. Thank you for the assistance, Connor, it is much appreciated. ┌∩┐(◣_◢)┌∩┐ Last edited by Azarius#0884 on Oct 22, 2013, 11:08:29 PM	Posted by Azarius#0884 on Oct 22, 2013, 11:00:40 PM Quote this Post
agreed	Posted by AridZephyr#2739 on Oct 22, 2013, 11:04:11 PM Quote this Post
Legacy items = unfair advantage. Agree.	Posted by Zephyria#7414 on Oct 22, 2013, 11:30:40 PM Quote this Post
From what I gather this thread is a troll post, plain and simple. I think we are being trolled... Opening with a terrorist style scare tactic, directly into flaming any opposing with the notion that they are violating ToU. If you want ladder you should play ladder... I honestly believe that this guy is trolling.	Posted by Chewycoyote#0819 on Oct 22, 2013, 11:31:16 PM Quote this Post
I thought silverbranch wasn't a big deal because it is a new character item but I think endgame legacy items definitely shouldn't exist.	Posted by Bunnu#1083 on Oct 22, 2013, 11:31:21 PM Quote this Post
" Chewycoyote wrote: From what I gather this thread is a troll post, plain and simple. I think we are being trolled... Opening with a terrorist style scare tactic, directly into flaming any opposing with the notion that they are violating ToU. If you want ladder you should play ladder... I honestly believe that this guy is trolling. what you posting sounds more like a troll post, i mean after all its a Community where people got different opinions and by seeing they allow end game OP legacys staying will result to a flaw into the game, who knows maybe the damage will never be repaired if they dont repair it now? And this is not against ToU, you should read again whats against tou everyone allowed to voice their opinion. Last i want to add its sad but a truth fact, the defender of those OP legacy is lately Always those who got those items, and thats clearly proves they dont look at the long way perspective, but only of their own gain, they dont care about balance. End of my ranting but this just sum it all, thanks. thanks for topic OP - Agreed Last edited by marremurt#7928 on Oct 22, 2013, 11:48:59 PM	Posted by marremurt#7928 on Oct 22, 2013, 11:38:47 PM Quote this Post
Disagree. And those with like mind should follow OP's advice and not argue the point; the more you argue, the more free bumps this guy gets. Simply state that you disagree, then forsake the thread after that one post. When Stephen Colbert was killed by HYDRA's Project Insight in 2014, the comedy world lost a hero. Since his life model decoy isn't up to the task, please do not mistake my performance as political discussion. I'm just doing what Steve would have wanted. Last edited by ScrotieMcB#2697 on Oct 23, 2013, 1:40:27 AM	Posted by ScrotieMcB#2697 on Oct 22, 2013, 11:43:42 PM Quote this Post