1.0 Passive Tree

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koppees wrote:

WTF am I suppose to do with the respec? I am playing Mara LA ELE. All my gear supports ranged play-style. With this new talent tree, all build-defining talents are unreachable.

Which ones exactly, pray tell?

i am just happy we got a new class!

that it requires to change the tree is also okay!

guys we got a new class and so much more variation of creating a character!!!

I simply cant wait, GREAT JOB GGG!!!!! :) :) :)

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raics wrote:

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koppees wrote:

WTF am I suppose to do with the respec? I am playing Mara LA ELE. All my gear supports ranged play-style. With this new talent tree, all build-defining talents are unreachable.

Which ones exactly, pray tell?

Iron Grip for example

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koppees wrote:

WTF am I suppose to do with the respec? I am playing Mara LA ELE. All my gear supports ranged play-style. With this new talent tree, all build-defining talents are unreachable.

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koppees wrote:

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raics wrote:

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koppees wrote:

WTF am I suppose to do with the respec? I am playing Mara LA ELE. All my gear supports ranged play-style. With this new talent tree, all build-defining talents are unreachable.

Which ones exactly, pray tell?

Iron Grip for example

If you can't reach it, use an IG gem. They put it into the game especially for that occasion, imagine that.

We all got way too spoiled.

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hitreza wrote:

so much more variation of creating a character!!!

no, exactly the opposite, if they make it more points to circle the middle, or make us unable to circle the middle without taking build specific nodes, or as that screenshot shows, you cant circle the middle at all for the 6 current classes, then it cuts down diversity, massively.


Looks to me like that tree we are seeing has completely destroyed the diversity for all the 6 existing classes just to give some sort of reason to play the new character, and the new character has to waste more points to do the builds I am looking at, so now I reroll a shit version of the character I was playing? and Im now blonde and not the cool little witch with the big head?

come on man, thats bs. If thats not the proper tree is had better be a million miles off the proper tree. If we cant completely circle the middle taking only core stat nodes then diversity is fucked.

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

Looks to me like that tree we are seeing has completely destroyed the diversity for all the 6 existing classes

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raics wrote:

I really don't see a reason to raise a shitstorm, even if the tree stays like this build diversity will stay the same, in the worst case cosmetic diversity will suffer a bit. As far as I know player skins are intended at some point so that's moot too.

Anyway, I like the change and if some of my classes get trickier to build - that's perfectly fine. Everyone complains the game is already too easy, so?

Bring it on, tree.

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raics wrote:

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

Looks to me like that tree we are seeing has completely destroyed the diversity for all the 6 existing classes

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raics wrote:

I really don't see a reason to raise a shitstorm, even if the tree stays like this build diversity will stay the same, in the worst case cosmetic diversity will suffer a bit. As far as I know player skins are intended at some point so that's moot too.

Anyway, I like the change and if some of my classes get trickier to build - that's perfectly fine. Everyone complains the game is already too easy, so?

Bring it on, tree.

it doesnt make builds trickier to build, it just completely shuts down massive areas of builds for all 6 existing classes. You dont really have a point with what you are saying, you are just tyring to make it sound positive because you dont see just how many builds would be wiped out by this tree.

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

it doesnt make builds trickier to build, it just completely shuts down massive areas of builds for all 6 existing classes. You dont really have a point with what you are saying, you are just tyring to make it sound positive because you dont see just how many builds would be wiped out by this tree.

You know, if I hadn't heard all that so many times before I might have got a little worried. Whenever a major tree rework was announced you could cut the air on the forum with a knife, it was so thick with grim predictions of builds ruined, laments of diversity gone down the drain and thinly veiled insults.

And nothing would really change, some things you can build a bit harder, some a bit easier, some become unpractical but then again some new ones open up. And it's all for the better in the end, they have a reason for doing this, you know, it's not like they do a massive change like that because they're bored.

destroying the ability to circle the middle of the tree would destroy in 1 swoop many magnitudes more builds than have been destroyed by all changes so far through ob.

There was a thread recently where GGG posted why you move through core stat nodes to get around, because its bad for builds to make you have to take melee nodes to go this way for this keystone etc, its just awful. So now they have killed any character who wants to move through the middle to get to the other side, that completely shuts down the tree for all 6 classes, thats 100s of builds ranging across every possible skill you can think of.

The alternative is now this middle class, who has to take build specific nodes to get out in any direction making it horribly inefficient to just glide through the middle, get your keystones and out again and likely you will have to take melee nodes as a caster, or es nodes as a life build, or cast speed as a bow user etc just to get the same freedom of movement but at the cost of way more points, potentially useless points when you consider that literally anything could have been moving through the middle before, its not a niche thing. Its destroying tree mobility at a fundamental level which is an awful thing no matter how you dress it up.