We players want an auction house

I would like it to be more like daoc ,where you had to go to the persons hideout and they had a vendor there you could buy from.
no thank you , unless u make items trdable only one time im against it. WE saw what an auction house means with d3. Stop playing game go play ah, dont want that again.
D3 itemisation was so ridiculously bad and build diversity so limited. The D3 auction house made it a 1000 times worse. It was too easy to flip items for profit and buy your upgrades.

Chris talked about the a trading system that would not be an auction house, just a way to buy/sell without both parties having to be online (and not afk) at the sametime. A convenient trade system with no buyouts .... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmKcEkzSo0k

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Can anybody explain me in what way the auction house ruined D3? i mean, in details, i never played that game
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Can anybody explain me in what way the auction house ruined D3? i mean, in details, i never played that game


1.
- there was no cons for putting items in AH.
- AH is flooded with items
- supply is high, demand is low for mediocre items
- mediocre price is falling
- rare items still have good value because they have smaller supply and higher demand
- you have to spend many hours selling mediocre items to get rare items

This to a certain extent is happening in POE because of poe.trade and other AH-like sites.

2.
- AH can be easliy automated
- boots invade AH

3.
- using AH you dont meet other ppl
- using AH is no different than trading with NPC
- AH remove players interacions that are base for multiplayer games

4.
- it is more effectie to camp in AH waiting for good oferts than kill mobs.
- If you want be competitive you have sit in AH
"Is there such a thing as an absolute, timeless enemy? There is no such thing, and never has been. And the reason
is that our enemies are human beings like us. They can only be our enemies in relative terms."
Last edited by kamil1210#5432 on Jan 12, 2015, 10:42:27 AM
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kamil1210 wrote:
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Can anybody explain me in what way the auction house ruined D3? i mean, in details, i never played that game


1.
- there was no cons for putting items in AH.
- AH is flooded with items
- supply is high, demand is low for mediocre items
- mediocre price is falling
- rare items still have good value because they have smaller supply and higher demand
- you have to spend many hours selling mediocre items to get rare items

This to a certain extent is happening in POE because of poe.trade and other AH-like sites.

2.
- AH can be easliy automated
- boots invade AH

3.
- using AH you dont meet other ppl
- using AH is no different than trading with NPC
- AH remove players interacions that are base for multiplayer games

4.
- it is more effectie to camp in AH waiting for good oferts than kill mobs.
- If you want be competitive you have sit in AH


That nr. 4 is already the case in Path of Trading, and it didn't need an auction house. People are also already using scripts to get notified of cheap sales or identify underpriced craft worthy rares.


What an auction house or player shop would do, is remove a lot of the tedium involved with trading in path of exile. It would also remove 3 of my biggest annoyances: the "offer" hoarders, the unavailable sellers who don't reply (usually the majority of the players I contact when I try to buy something in standard) and finally the price scammers who put up fake sales.

The big difference between having or not having player shops, is that because there is less tedium involved with in game shops, a lot more players would put up shops and also more players would start flipping. That's the biggest reason I see why current POE marketeers would be against an auction house, it would eat away at their (often huge) flipping margins and they'd have more competition. Scammers too would have a harder time finding victims. Plenty of reasons to be very vocally against it.
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5000~ hours played here.
I vote against it.


played 590 hours (steam), so what?


And i vote for it, this and act 4 could bring me back to poe but ggg wont do anything other than making the game less rewarding if you dont trade. Maybe they will create another pyramidic system like in sotv where a few rich ppl got even richer and the poor ..., well fuck them up their asses like they deserve it.

And how do you get rich in the current meta? Flipping, trading and scamming = holy trinity
Last edited by vangrandson#0101 on Jan 12, 2015, 11:40:29 AM
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vangrandson wrote:
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5000~ hours played here.
I vote against it.


played 590 hours (steam), so what?




it doesn't matter how long you play but how much mtx have you bought

"Is there such a thing as an absolute, timeless enemy? There is no such thing, and never has been. And the reason
is that our enemies are human beings like us. They can only be our enemies in relative terms."

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played 590 hours (steam), so what?


That honestly is very little play time considering how long this game has been around.

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And i vote for it, this and act 4 could bring me back to poe but ggg wont do anything other than making the game less rewarding if you dont trade. Maybe they will create another pyramidic system like in sotv where a few rich ppl got even richer and the poor ..., well fuck them up their (going to be edited by support) like they deserve it.


I vote STRONGLY against it. I've played D3, an AH is never pretty. They've added strongboxes, unique ones, cartoboxes, masters, so many things that make playing solo much better. I don't typically bother much with trading and still typically achieve my goals. Will I have 6 link gg gear in every slot, no not really, but that is something I choose by not doing trading\shop.

I had when sotv maybe 20-30ex in random gear from previous leagues, I turned that into quite a bit.

Spoiler


The sotv actually made it so that anyone can farm for the midnight pieces and either run them or sell them for quite a bit of profit. I was lucky to get a scepter really early, traded that 1:1 for the perfect kaoms heart. Sold boots, belts, ect. When midnight was 5ex or 6ex for set is when the prime to make money off of it was. I got 2 hopes, one dropped gloves, which sold for a lot, I got mjolner, shavs and a few other things off of that.

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And how do you get rich in the current meta? Flipping, trading and scamming = holy trinity


You can make a good amount simply by playing the game, setting up a shop is REALLY easy with the addition of tools like procurement. With sites like poe.trade it makes it easy to find buyers that want your items.

What exactly do you think would change in regards to this last concern if an AH was added? I'll tell you what would happen, those same people would setup bots, buy low sell high, your stuff that doesn't sell now, STILL won't sell later. Everything gets cheapened by an automatic system, EVERYTHING.
https://youtu.be/T9kygXtkh10?t=285

FeelsBadMan

Remove MF from POE, make juiced map the new MF.
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goetzjam wrote:

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played 590 hours (steam), so what?


That honestly is very little play time considering how long this game has been around.

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And i vote for it, this and act 4 could bring me back to poe but ggg wont do anything other than making the game less rewarding if you dont trade. Maybe they will create another pyramidic system like in sotv where a few rich ppl got even richer and the poor ..., well fuck them up their (going to be edited by support) like they deserve it.


I vote STRONGLY against it. I've played D3, an AH is never pretty. They've added strongboxes, unique ones, cartoboxes, masters, so many things that make playing solo much better. I don't typically bother much with trading and still typically achieve my goals. Will I have 6 link gg gear in every slot, no not really, but that is something I choose by not doing trading\shop.

I had when sotv maybe 20-30ex in random gear from previous leagues, I turned that into quite a bit.

Spoiler


The sotv actually made it so that anyone can farm for the midnight pieces and either run them or sell them for quite a bit of profit. I was lucky to get a scepter really early, traded that 1:1 for the perfect kaoms heart. Sold boots, belts, ect. When midnight was 5ex or 6ex for set is when the prime to make money off of it was. I got 2 hopes, one dropped gloves, which sold for a lot, I got mjolner, shavs and a few other things off of that.

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And how do you get rich in the current meta? Flipping, trading and scamming = holy trinity


You can make a good amount simply by playing the game, setting up a shop is REALLY easy with the addition of tools like procurement. With sites like poe.trade it makes it easy to find buyers that want your items.

What exactly do you think would change in regards to this last concern if an AH was added? I'll tell you what would happen, those same people would setup bots, buy low sell high, your stuff that doesn't sell now, STILL won't sell later. Everything gets cheapened by an automatic system, EVERYTHING.
So judging from your last 2 paragraphs you believe an in game AH would change nothing, so why then are you so vehemently opposed to it?

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