We players want an auction house

Fuck that shit. Majority does NOT want an auction house. the Boards are fine.

Everyone who is arguing against this, which is usually related to "being cool and hating another game that did it" don't understand that there are Auction Houses for this game, both RMT and legit.

the AH does exist.


You arguing that it will ruin the game is irrelevant since there are AH's.

Speak for yourself OP. No, "We the players" don't want an auction house. YOU want an auction house. That makes you the minority. Good day sir.

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sirius89 wrote:

Speak for yourself OP. No, "We the players" don't want an auction house. YOU want an auction house. That makes you the minority. Good day sir.

Why do you feel this way when an AH already exists?

I know these forums are the most "groupthink" centric ive seen in a game forum but lets be honest here, there are AH's and RMTAH's for this game.

Thinking theres not or not wanting them is like putting your blinders on and plugging your ears to reality.

And no, the majority do not hate AH's, sorry.

Personally I don't care, I like self found, and this games RMT centric economy is the #2 reason why this game is a short break between other games not my main game.

If I'm expected to trade, then I think it's fair to expect tools to facilitate trade. PoE has nothing. Well, they have a trade window. Which is admittedly better than dropping things on the ground and hoping you don't get fucked.

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b15h09 wrote:

If I'm expected to trade, then I think it's fair to expect tools to facilitate trade. PoE has nothing. Well, they have a trade window. Which is admittedly better than dropping things on the ground and hoping you don't get fucked.

PoE has trade forums, places where people can list their items, the forums are easily searchable or you can use tools like poe.trade in order to help find something specific. As for listing items also a tool for that called procurement https://code.google.com/p/procurement/ Search the forums for a thread, many many people use it, it is safe from that source, don't want type in your information and you can use session id instead.

Honestly the tools are there, you just have to use it and use it outside of the game. Although I'd like it inside the game, nothing more then the system we currently have.

As for capitalpunishment, no it simply doesn't already exists, can I select an item I want to buy, have the acceptable currency and get the item? No, but that is what an AH is, an automated method of buying and selling items. Yes RMT exists in this game, but its honestly a much smaller issue then you think, if you are a league player wanting to compete at the top of the ladder it may be an issue for you, but for everyone else its affects have diminished severely.


Yes the majority of players that understand how an automated system (AH) ruins the looting system of an ARPG even further don't want one.

Current system rewards those that put forth effort into creating, maintaining and completing trades in order to get ahead. An AH opens the door for those players that won't put forth the effort required now in order to make money and simply list stuff because it is easy.

Yes flippers, RMTers, botters and other negative entities exists that mess with the economy as a whole, but when you add automation to something like an PoE AH would be you get a whole nother level of people buying and flipping, RMTing and more importantly AH bots.

We've all seen what an AH does to an ARPG before, it can never and will never happen. The fundamental nature of the scope of the mistake would be so large it would literally be the biggest mistake GGG could make.

Without an official pool neither side is going to be able to prove % either one way or another. Further majority wants this comments will be ignored based on the fact no one actually has that information.

Why don't you rename the topic to, I want an auction house?
Because I don't! And you shouldn't act like your wish is everyone else's..

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goetzjam wrote:

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So judging from your last 2 paragraphs you believe an in game AH would change nothing,

Quite the opposite of changing nothing, poe trade in its current state requires work and no automated purchasing.

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so why then are you so vehemently opposed to it?

The last paragraph is exactly why I don't want an AH, its my whole comments as a whole to why an AH is terrible, not just 1-2 lines taken out of context. The second line was in regards to his specific concerns about the current system being "controlled" by scammers, flippers, ect. This would only get worst in that regard.

Answering to this post cause it has less filler words than the rest :p

You've written a lot of useless filler words in all your posts, but actually only give 2 reasons why you don't want an AH in POE. You've also made up statistics: "You are wrong, I can assure you more then 75% of players do not want this.", a number pulled out of your ass, such a convincing statement ;)

The 2 reasons I could extract from all your filler:
1) AH didn't work in D3, therefore it won't work in POE.
2) An AH will mean trading is less work, making it so more people trade.

Your nr. 1 reason that you keep on repeating, is apples and oranges. Just because the particular implementation of an AH in 1 game did not work, doesn't mean that the implementation in POE won't work. AH and playershops did work and are still working in scores of other online loot based rpgs, with a large variety of rules.
Your nr. 2 reason is just your own selfishness, you don't want setting up a shop or selling items to be less tedious, because more players trading is going to lower your profit margins. Somehow I can't feel sorry for you ;)

I would love an AH even if it where a limited form of a AH.anything is better then what poe is doing right now(nothing).

PoE's economy in the new leagues is already strained heavily by rampant economy botting. Any improvements to the trading system must be made with the following conditions:

Does it allow for botting programs to set up a market order with minimal effort and consequently flood the market by midnight day 1? If no, proceed to QA. If yes, Scrap and start over.
The thing with auction houses is - most of them time you don't even need to be particularly good with price checking. Set it up for a price and people will fight over it until it reaches it's given value - sometimes more. Suddenly having 1000 times more rare items (No, I am not grossly exaggerating, that is a realistic estimate from my early days in Eve who also had an open market and rampant botting problem initially) and uniques up for sale devalues everything to triviality, except for the high demand items which flippers will artificially keep inflated by buying up everything ever sold below their 'price point' and reselling it higher (happens in EVERY market) which brings us to the second condition:

Is flipping possible? If no, proceed to QA. If yes, scrap and start over.

I could go on - but those are the big 2 problems. And unless they are addressed sufficiently, I will vehemently stand against any notion that PoE needs an auction house or ilk. It needs better trading, sure - but an auction house is going to devastate an already fragile economy, much like it did to Diablo. (yes, I'm aware of other factors at work, but AH's exacerbate existing problems by orders of magnitude - and PoE has quite a few issues.)